From owner-svn-src-head@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 5 09:38:44 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1233) id 96DEA1065672; Fri, 5 Nov 2010 09:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 09:38:44 +0000 From: Alexander Best To: Mark Linimon Message-ID: <20101105093844.GA75981@freebsd.org> References: <201011050056.oA50uLk5078426@svn.freebsd.org> <20101105012103.GA26789@freebsd.org> <20101105072515.GA8725@lonesome.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101105072515.GA8725@lonesome.com> Cc: svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org, Ed Schouten Subject: Re: svn commit: r214817 - head/sys/teken X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:38:44 -0000 On Fri Nov 5 10, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 01:21:03AM +0000, Alexander Best wrote: > > maybe, because nearly all PRs (most of them including patches) they > > have submitted via GNATS in the past remain unnoticed and thus they've > > gotten tired of reporting issues and submitting patches if nobody > > seems to care? ;) > > We actually do better these days w/rt userland bugs (and some src > bugs) than we were a few years ago. I'm always looking for suggestions > on how we can get more committers interested in PRs (especially those > with patches). unfortunately this might come too late. in 2006 and 2007 apple e.g. submitted quite some patches and tried contributing some work back to the freebsd project. since most of their PR didn't trigger any attention at all, they seem to have completely stopped sending in patches. even if a higher response rate in connection with GNATS can be achieved, these parties (GNU/kFreeBSD, apple, ...) and their "manpower" are probably lost forever for the freebsd project. since their patches didn't trigger any interest, it is very likely that they have no intentions anymore to contribute any work back: reasonably. expecially in the apple case that's a huge loss. personally i think any contributions by such companies like apple need to have high priority. maybe having a single committer who will interact with apple or other major companies might even be a good idea. this doesn't mean that user contributions aren't as valuable as contributions by companies, but the fact that certain companies have quite a massive "manpower", the impact of ignoring their patches is far more severe. if a company wished to have their work pushed back into the freebsd tree this seems to be quite a complex process. maybe 2 or 3 years ago nvidia requested some VM changes for their closed source driver to work on freebsd amd64. they decided to skip the PR databse and directly interacted with developers (i think mostly alc@). so that kinda prooves that the PR databse is not suited very well to get patches committed to freebsd; instead contacting with developers directly seems to be far more successful. but again (as mark pointed out many times) freebsd doesn't have a culture of bug busting. cheers. alex > > mcl -- a13x