From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 6 07:11:26 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08B7106564A for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 07:11:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from mail.ru.ac.za (mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010:0:250:56ff:fe8d:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFCFE8FC0C for ; Fri, 6 Jul 2012 07:11:25 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ru.ac.za; s=ru-msa; h=X-Authenticated-User:Message-Id:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Subject:To:From; bh=YDsBc2uXs86KzIDY+L86HUg2A7Ua+JFdtc4e4m+yW5A=; b=mER3OWWDpbjYeTPe/MObx1N35RM9IHQoGXd5ekw8uAnneVBShqalvsxXy13rGJlFQwY+qmaq7p1irGDGGGAe8a7a5ahkVJ5mmFcm421dX6Co/cdTQvZtQTZ29dkPNkoK; Received: from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za ([2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932]:60296) by mail.ru.ac.za with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Sn2hH-000LSe-36 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Fri, 06 Jul 2012 09:11:23 +0200 From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Rhodes University To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 09:11:22 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: In-Reply-To: X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Virus-Scanned: mail.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:0:250:56ff:fe8d:5) X-Authenticated-User: s0900137 from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932) using auth_plaintext Subject: Re: Training wheels for commandline (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2012 07:11:26 -0000 On Thursday 05 July 2012 20:08:36 Eitan Adler wrote > > The system should be optimized for new users by default. No. People aren't new users for long.This makes a lot more sense: On Thursday 05 July 2012 19:31:17 Garrett Cooper wrote > > Here's a *random* thought to consider. This seems like a feature that > FreeNAS/PC-BSD/etc (Linux/Windows/other OS convert) type thing might > want -- so maybe the feature should exist (but be off) in FreeBSD and > exist (and be on) in custom FreeBSD distros where users aren't > necessarily expected to know FreeBSD. This is the most sensible suggestion I've seen in this conversation so far. Jonathan