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Date:      Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:23:14 -0500
From:      masta <diz@linuxpowered.com>
To:        Mike Tancsa <mike@sentex.net>
Cc:        freebsd-security@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: TCP RST attack
Message-ID:  <408586B2.8020900@linuxpowered.com>
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.0.20040420144001.0723ab80@209.112.4.2>
References:  <6.0.3.0.0.20040420125557.06b10d48@209.112.4.2> <xzphdve35oa.fsf@dwp.des.no> <200404201113.27737.dr@kyx.net> <xzp65buh5fa.fsf@dwp.des.no> <6.0.3.0.0.20040420144001.0723ab80@209.112.4.2>

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Does anybody remember this:
http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/newtcp/

This seems fairly clear to me that guessing our tcp sequences is near 
omnipotent power.

-Jon



Mike Tancsa wrote:

> At 02:26 PM 20/04/2004, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
>
>> Dragos Ruiu <dr@kyx.net> writes:
>> > On April 20, 2004 10:44 am, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:
>> > > The advisory grossly exaggerates the impact and severity of this
>> > > fea^H^H^Hbug.  The attack is only practical if you already know the
>> > > details of the TCP connection you are trying to attack, or are in a
>> > > position to sniff it.
>> > This is not true. The attack does not require sniffing.
>>
>> You need to know the source and destination IP and port.  In most
>> cases, this means sniffing.  BGP is easier because the destination
>> port is always 179 and the source and destination IPs are recorded in
>> the whois database, but you still need to know the source port.
>
>
> While true, you do need the source port, how long will it take to 
> programmatically go through the possible source ports in an attack ? 
> That only adds 2^16-1024 to blast through
>
>         ---Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>> DES
>> -- 
>> Dag-Erling Smørgrav - des@des.no
>
>
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