From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Aug 28 13:57:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from devsys.jaguNET.com (devsys.jaguNET.com [209.133.192.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 054E537B43E for ; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jim@localhost) by devsys.jaguNET.com (8.9.3/jag-2.6) id QAA08753; Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:57:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Jagielski Message-Id: <200008282057.QAA08753@devsys.jaguNET.com> Subject: Re: Scaling Apache? To: bright@wintelcom.net (Alfred Perlstein) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 16:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Cc: jim@jaguNET.com (Jim Jagielski), nepolon@systray.com (Steve Lewis), jepace@pobox.com (James E. Pace), freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: jim@jaguNET.com In-Reply-To: <20000828121802.D1209@fw.wintelcom.net> from "Alfred Perlstein" at Aug 28, 2000 12:18:02 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > * Jim Jagielski [000828 12:04] wrote: > > Steve Lewis wrote: > > > > > To some, anything that says "threaded" is automatically better. > > Whether it is or it isn't. :) > > Let me put it another way: > > Apache sucks for performance, my grandmother (dead) can handle > load better than apache. Oh really... :/ > > And assuming that I'm naive enough to be in the "threaded is better" > camp is stupid, you should have researched my previous postinging > before making such an incorrect assumption. Who assumed here? Looks like you did. I assumed nothing. I simply stated a fact that to some people threaded==better. Did I say you? Nope. So _who_ exactly assumed here? > Sure, if you cluster apache it helps hide the fact that it sucks > for load because then you can have a thousand machines sucking in > tandem. Sorry. The front-end machine handles the full onslaught of requests and offloads the actual _handling_ of those requests to other machines. This was directly to the point that said Apache can't handle thousands of simultaneous requests, which is itself an incredible murky and fuzzy term. > > Yes that works for relatively heavy traffic, but not for extremely > high amounts of traffic. > So Apache can handle "relatively heavy traffic" but not "extremely high amounts of traffic"? Apache was never designed to be "the fastest" web server around. We designed it with different groundrules. With 2.0, one major design consideration _was_ performance, and 2.0 does in fact kick some ass and allows preforking, process/thread and "pure thread" operation, which is good to have. -- =========================================================================== Jim Jagielski [|] jim@jaguNET.com [|] http://www.jaguNET.com/ "Are you suggesting coconuts migrate??" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message