From owner-freebsd-usb@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 16 11:13:49 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-usb@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CABCCADB for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:13:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from velcroleaf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm44-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm44-vm6.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.87.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C8DE37 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:13:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [216.39.60.182] by nm44.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 11:12:08 -0000 Received: from [98.137.12.195] by tm18.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 11:12:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jul 2013 11:12:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 596736.47071.bm@omp1003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 82347 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jul 2013 11:12:08 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1373973128; bh=7IB1WA9v/zRUy4h/EjCMESBzG7vp0BHuXP5jgO89ZOg=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3h99Bp93/i9VrAUW8Eokyl7sKe4R/VC/GZ6GHxx/Na12h50VWozLcyTk3REmzHJ9xHcHz39cYXh9OYAaC9q/ll866lQqlX/Eq0f3G646RcwNVFqR+bxIUwWTuxeVn+51UKrnvZIDWEiIKnf6NOH4aAtt64lOU66THaCQy+LhOrU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rocketmail.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Ozql+Q7VuWhVRS34jV4+G08lhelMSoedbLLxNf0ZEZ2Ih8ZZrMaNfg29aCigv1YS2J/Lq8HCRD3x3JZ6K3kYQjeX7Bdks4X5EGh+2u7x/0fzd4FzjoZX6j7WxSB3CMEW3PA6jD8PV6CeVO6LWAaANVJM43Nq5UY7NtVE6vnAee0= ; X-YMail-OSG: 3rQ0sDoVM1km9bwkYWqNzllcwfdEoetv5CcAQXcb5sXUqBU Kaj6iLX4b1pkjuzDK.f6dyKRa4BgHvLaItOpMdyz5Ezou6DqeUCpVA2CORUF A_ah2YD1ywYSopEAru.DLp6f6H3jN8HtD1W3sEp7jDwhJpfI4ZGgCGylQviq YyAOoWiZaHLdzCAaC5hioKD54KH3_pdheoQeRMdtOvJuM7ndf2WPHGe.a14X GQZpcvWXYa69ZS0tZArKhE.5frpiOjjw_Kjfgq1kEyGEP5RfdOxKWk0rnBnP O9k9vACplgKghC_k2iKgUBu3XwxKKjZkxdIe0Si6ei8vhR6yIZQxMbS8_Y6W vxhqiWf.JryWqZLR7izqgi.0UxaqiVRVq7OGBDr4wappqBtQaE2GCI99OkQ5 hUeGXCflx8WwfxnYPqKia4N1CWdC5OIPgvQzMmHtcJGaCbc2MsWjEO1cjffb nao2pW9HQ.KdjNziH6tKgn0bJ0GZWoCnAtOaxrQMA9ZI3vWPoQYDAmzuaJQk 17JWKb7oJOmYWDCBeAmw4mQNLgJFtrUQzagC99rxZOQMdGrxRs5FctQVe3hf BykExJQ7KlkLcGD7rj7wBlbaDBRlV Received: from [192.70.171.13] by web164506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 16 Jul 2013 04:12:08 PDT X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 002.001, PiBUaGUgc3RhbGxlZCBtZXNzYWdlcyBoYXMgbm90aGluZyB0byBkbyB3aXRoIHRoZSBtYXNzIHN0b3JhZ2UgcGFydC4gSXQgc2ltcGx5IGluZGljYXRlcyB0aGF0IHNvbWUgZXJyb3IgaGFwcGVuZWQgZHVyaW5nIGEgVVNCIGNvbnRyb2wgcmVxdWVzdC5UaGUgVVNCIHN0YWNrIHdpbGwgcmUtdHJ5IHRoaXMgcGFydGljdWxhciBtZXNzYWdlLCBzbyBpdCBpcyBub3QgZGlyZWN0bHkgZGFuZ2Vyb3VzLgoKCldlbGwsIHRoZSBkcml2ZSBkb2Vzbid0IGFjdHVhbGx5IHdvcmsgb24gdGhlIG90aGVyIGNvbXB1dGVyLCABMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.148.557 References: <201304211610.r3LGA21Y061796@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <1373973128.82056.YahooMailNeo@web164506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 04:12:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Velcro Leaf Subject: Re: usb/177895: similar 1TB Western Digital "My Passports" - some load, some don't To: Hans Petter Selasky , "freebsd-usb@FreeBSD.org" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-usb@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Velcro Leaf List-Id: FreeBSD support for USB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 11:13:50 -0000 > The stalled messages has nothing to do with the mass storage part. It sim= ply indicates that some error happened during a USB control request.The USB= stack will re-try this particular message, so it is not directly dangerous= .=0A=0A=0AWell, the drive doesn't actually work on the other computer, so s= omething important is wrong.=A0 The fact that the other machine silently fa= ils is maybe more telling?=0A=0A> After many years in the USB game I feel a= need to emphasize again, that many of the mass storage related errors repo= rted here are not a USB HOST problem. There is a USB standard defined at ww= w.usb.org, that we are trying to comply to.=0A=0AI totally respect that, bu= t all these devices work with other OSs (which shall remain unnamed).=A0 Th= ere's intellectual purity and then there's getting the freaking things to w= ork.=A0 How do these other OSs deal with the quirks?=A0 Is it a matter of d= ownloading piles of drivers?=0A=0AI do like the idea of a FreeBSD Seal of A= pproval.=A0 It would save us all a lot of time.=0A=0AAny suggestion for fix= ing the problem?=A0 (Other than the long term, but probably fruitless, sugg= estion of complaining to Western Digital?)=0A