From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 6 19:44:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4140816A41F; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:44:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32C6043D48; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:44:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (c220-239-19-236.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.19.236]) by mail01.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k06Jib48032747 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sat, 7 Jan 2006 06:44:37 +1100 Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (localhost.alcatel.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k06JiaHh055435; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 06:44:36 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au) Received: (from pjeremy@localhost) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id k06Jia2n055434; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 06:44:36 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 06:44:36 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, current Message-ID: <20060106194436.GD51452@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> References: <43A266E5.3080103@samsco.org> <43AB1E65.2030501@mac.com> <20051222221202.GM39174@svcolo.com> <200512231136.12471.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <20060105092448.GH1358@svcolo.com> <20060105184147.GD69162@funkthat.com> <20060106110318.GF54324@svcolo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060106110318.GF54324@svcolo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc Cc: Subject: Re: Fast releases demand binary updates.. (Was: Release schedule for 2006) X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 19:44:45 -0000 On Fri, 2006-Jan-06 03:03:18 -0800, Jo Rhett wrote: >> Bottom line: Once code exists, then support can be talked about.. > >This is bullhockey and you know it. Once the project is done, we'll >authorize a budget for it? Once the season is over we'll know who should >be on the starting team? In general, volunteer projects have a surfeit of ideas and a shortage of real implementations. The Project is never going to agree to import an idea without some substance. > Yeah, hindsight is sweet. But this isn't a >simple change. It will require very close integration with the installation >and kernel modules at least (and probably more). So having some sort of >consensus that (a) the project has interest and (b) what flavors would be >acceptable to the existing groups - are both necessary for this project to >even mumble it's first line of code. In which case you need to move this thread to freebsd-arch where these sort of issues are discussed. You need to clearly define your goals and suggest a design to meet them. If your idea has merit, you'll be able to convince at least one committer to work with you to implement your design. -- Peter Jeremy