From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 15 06:38:20 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF6E2508E7 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 06:38:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) Received: from admin.sibptus.ru (admin.sibptus.ru [IPv6:2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48KLDD27kxz3MYD for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 06:38:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vas@sibptus.ru) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sibptus.ru; s=20181118; h=In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=/BpPOZkxBaO8jGPKlZdIArgYwDTY+iqU4xEXCTAfDgA=; b=iqYolXJQOhp+1AOnPMwGUpY/Pp 7pvZ/z4UfoSAYYAYFEhbNOgbBKlrh3yArN0zLVEn1NBv9TfHymxWI3fWXOE16GTVEpHCpQRsnE0pn 8k1iZdTCVz4eEMvWBhdOG5ixcQfFAfEhtH+YKeUKQxEsnPXdrLAQtvHo4ABnX8EVeXjQ=; Received: from vas by admin.sibptus.ru with local (Exim 4.92.3 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1j2r5m-0000vQ-ON for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Feb 2020 13:38:18 +0700 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 13:38:18 +0700 From: Victor Sudakov To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Technological advantages over Linux Message-ID: <20200215063818.GE1482@admin.sibptus.ru> References: <20200214121620.GA80657@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214141600.GA82559@admin.sibptus.ru> <20200214204838.360c8f624397c659946bd764@sohara.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ey/N+yb7u/X9mFhi" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200214204838.360c8f624397c659946bd764@sohara.org> X-PGP-Key: http://admin.sibptus.ru/~vas/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 10E3 1171 1273 E007 C2E9 3532 0DA4 F259 9B5E C634 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 48KLDD27kxz3MYD X-Spamd-Bar: -------- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sibptus.ru header.s=20181118 header.b=iqYolXJQ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=sibptus.ru; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of vas@sibptus.ru designates 2001:19f0:5001:21dc::10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=vas@sibptus.ru X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-8.44 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sibptus.ru:s=20181118]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-3.34)[ip: (-9.89), ipnet: 2001:19f0:5000::/38(-4.94), asn: 20473(-1.80), country: US(-0.05)]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sibptus.ru:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[sibptus.ru,none]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20473, ipnet:2001:19f0:5000::/38, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2020 06:38:21 -0000 --ey/N+yb7u/X9mFhi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 21:16:00 +0700 > Victor Sudakov wrote: >=20 > > For example, the absence of Docker (or analogous technology) for FreeBSD > > is a huge disadvantage. We need to name really superiour features to > > make up for this shortage. >=20 > pkg search docker shows a lot of packages including: >=20 > docker-18.09.5_1 Open-source application container engine > docker-compose-1.24.0_1 Define and run multi-container applications > with Docker >=20 > Looks like we have docker=20 I was speaking of sysutils/docker-freebsd which remained BROKEN for years and was eventually removed from the ports tree. I'll certainly look at sysutils/docker and sysutils/docker-compose, thanks for the hint. I hope it is THE docker (/me is starting poudriere...) > - but IMHO jails are better lightweight > containers with a *much* longer track record=20 But jails lack a repository of ready-made containers with applications. To be honest, jails lack even a decent management infrastructure. Yes we have bits like "pkg -j", "bectl jail", "bsdinstall jail", "freebsd-update -b" but nobody cared to build a convenient infrastructure out of all this, not to speak about a repository of ready-made jails for different purposes. > and there's bhyve for full > blown virtualisation. bhyve is great, that's true. If it could also run Windows guests on paravirtualized disks (not emulated SATA), I'd be completely happy. --=20 Victor Sudakov, VAS4-RIPE, VAS47-RIPN 2:5005/49@fidonet http://vas.tomsk.ru/ --ey/N+yb7u/X9mFhi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJeR5HaAAoJEA2k8lmbXsY0/wYH/AvLbzR76bgNoa8Lm1/yMkdz mq9KdE70Uj5NURCcLO5ANKuExWBPvK0Ali6HulRU1W7iR6sYxcBTTZWQD8ieX6ch r7t6w34wNNfsK0tXcAm3yXNqr8Z52UMUPgZuFxgDgckBn0e6gUWYrxVA8vTlILTa dzV8/7gHogpebuHqXf0ifeF8lZd0vXTVlvh0ysUOZjFcOrmxZoZc8Hllt9pOLlOF RqxRjvJDs3djboSWfVyFPZjIRDbqseprXRtKT+EoQ5DhTqUArXFIH23sKYmKHnh5 KPZaRDVN9IMYGhnM69qoKArgSNpOzObZlIVZ6Pur5JNj6VLbbw8xJGq3xKsRjw4= =Qr1X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ey/N+yb7u/X9mFhi--