From nobody Wed May 7 18:03:01 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Zt35x24pzz5wYNv for ; Wed, 07 May 2025 18:03:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [66.165.241.226]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Zt35v4bKdz48lR; Wed, 07 May 2025 18:03:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=nomadlogic.org header.s=04242021 header.b=RRf9RIEd; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pete@nomadlogic.org designates 66.165.241.226 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@nomadlogic.org; dmarc=pass (policy=quarantine) header.from=nomadlogic.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nomadlogic.org; s=04242021; t=1746640964; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=5PMsLi+7Xy4Opfxvy0jZxoa0v10SwDoBNMr0LPaOqKw=; b=RRf9RIEdEZcNGVOhqSmVPaRbZzK9AUJB8CHvw0aU67Y77/SSG3RiJnG4GOQa2zMSiim8Mz VjlkQTM3F6EDU0X9p22+G976sxVEY4cncqZRlEaRmA/AAtNADSI3CmP2Arwi6Lwbcip4pJ 4LLT8uaAdufoD1azEYl1mANshSGdT7U= Received: from [192.168.1.182] (47-154-20-141.fdr01.snmn.ca.ip.frontiernet.net [47.154.20.141]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id a95ec720 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Wed, 7 May 2025 18:02:44 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <7a751dd1-8013-4368-84ac-b9752d848401@nomadlogic.org> Date: Wed, 7 May 2025 11:03:01 -0700 List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: CFT: pkgbase support in 15.0 To: Joseph Mingrone , freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org References: <86a57t3cfu.fsf@asn.ftfl.ca> Content-Language: en-US From: Pete Wright In-Reply-To: <86a57t3cfu.fsf@asn.ftfl.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Zt35v4bKdz48lR X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.45 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.963]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.94)[-0.937]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[nomadlogic.org,quarantine]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.45)[0.450]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[nomadlogic.org:s=04242021]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:29802, ipnet:66.165.240.0/22, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[nomadlogic.org:+] On 5/3/25 09:07, Joseph Mingrone wrote: > In 2003, freebsd-update arrived, allowing users to perform binary > updates from one FreeBSD release to another. That's a lot of collective > time and energy saved by freeing regular users from building the same > sources locally. After a solid 22-year run, freebsd-update support will > end with the 14 branch. Its successor is pkgbase, which, as the name > suggests, packages FreeBSD's base system. In short, the base system can > now be managed similarly to third-party packages. To update from one > point release to another, simply run pkg upgrade. > > In late April, key work landed in the main branch to enable fresh > installations of FreeBSD with pkgbase support [0]. Existing systems > running 14.0 or later can also be managed with pkgbase after running > pkgbasify [1], a tool created under sponsorship from the FreeBSD > Foundation to convert existing systems. > > We encourage everyone to test pkgbase on spare or test hardware, using > either the installer from one of the latest 15.0 snapshot images [2] or > pkgbasify. Please note that while most of the preliminary feedback has > been positive, this work is still experimental; you should only test on > systems you can afford to lose and reinstall. > > Some outstanding work is planned: > - FreeBSD handbook documentation > - Offline installation support (install media packages) > - Working bootonly.iso > - Pkgbase-based local and cloud VM images. > > The 15.0 release schedule [3] lists the code slush starting on August 8, > so the deadline for this work is only a few months away. Please test > early and often. Issues can be reported in Bugzilla using a bug subject > prefixed with 'pkgbase:' Just wanted to add a data-point to this. Thanks for the announcement, it was the final motivation I needed to convert my main workstation over. The system is an amd64 box with Nvidia GPU (I use the nvidia-modesetting driver) and it was running 14.1-RELEASE. I performed the migration using the "pkgbasify" tool and ran into zero issues. After the conversion I then upgraded my workstation to the 14.3-BETA1 and again had no issues. I did have to install the src packages so I could recompile the nvidia driver and drm-kmod, but that was very straight forward. I've been dogfooding all week with zero issues. Thanks everyone! -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org