From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 22 00:42:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 853D116A41F for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:42:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.web-strider.com [65.75.192.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4DF243D45 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:42:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedwin2k (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [65.75.197.130]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id jAM0j7b68361; Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:45:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Gilbert Fernandes" , Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 16:42:04 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 In-Reply-To: <20051119192941.zuo0kgggw4ck4o88@webmail.spamcop.net> Importance: Normal Cc: chad@shire.net Subject: RE: Mach kernel and Unix over 68k : well before OS X (Was: Status of6.0 for production systems) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 00:42:13 -0000 >-----Original Message----- >From: Gilbert Fernandes [mailto:gilbert.fernandes@spamcop.net] >Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 10:30 AM >To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Cc: tedm@toybox.placo.com; chad@shire.net >Subject: Mach kernel and Unix over 68k : well before OS X (Was: Status >of6.0 for production systems) > > >> Consider that when MacOS moved to UNIX that all the UNIX software >> vendors could now easily port their applications to Macintosh. > >Excuse me, sir. > >Your discussion is pretty impressive and I have been reading it >with care. Honestly, I am far from having a distant enough picture >of the whole say to comment about what the discussion is about >(and to be honest, I am not even sure I do know exactly what >the point of the discussion is - please forgive me). > >But "Unix" has been available for MacOS users for a long time, >far before MacOS X went out and using a Mach kernel. > The problem is though, that it didn't have Apple's marketing muscle behind it. The thing that made Apple's decision to switch to MacOS X so great was that they abandonded the old macOS Classic. There is no upgrade path so customers of the Mac either have to learn MacOS X or give up the Mac entirely. Most of them did give up the old OS. If Apple had done the dual OS route like they did with AU/X=20 then nobody would have switched from whatever the OS 9 descendent would have been to MacOS X, and MacOS X would now be a footnote in the history of UNIX. People are, after all, somewhat lazy. For a brief period of time Apple had a flash of lucidity and realized they are a software company, that is what birthed MacOS X. = Unfortunately that brief flash seems to have faded and they are right back to=20 believing that the software is just a thing used to sell hardware. That puts them in direct competition with the low-ballers like Dell. Maybe one day Apple will understand that there is nobody out there in the low-baller market competing with MacOS X. Ted