Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 12:58:27 +0300 (EET DST) From: Narvi <narvi@haldjas.folklore.ee> To: Doug Wellington <doug@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov> Cc: Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>, hackers@FreeBSD.org, doug@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov Subject: Re: JDK 1.02 Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.91.960824124134.24660A-100000@haldjas.folklore.ee> In-Reply-To: <9608240420.AA02605@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov>
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On Fri, 23 Aug 1996, Doug Wellington wrote: > Previously: > >Java is here to stay whether we like it or not [...] > > Is this REALLY true? I mean, will Java continue to be a "force"? > Or is this just another phrase from the spin doctors? Lots of people > have sworn that lots of languages were the end all of programming - > look at lisp/scheme, ada, visual basic... (All have loyal followers, > but how much of a "force" are they? ...well, visual basic... hmmm...) > > What is The Real Deal(tm) with Java anyway? Once you get through > the hype, is Java anything more than C++ without pointers? If the > world becomes dependent upon applets, then maybe Java has a place, > but when everyone realizes that it is just the mainframe mentality > repackaged for the nineties, will it really last? Do we really want > to be dependent upon some server somewhere for what are really just > throw-away viewers? Do we even have the bandwidth to do it? Heck, > I can't stand using graphical web browsers because of the HUGE noise > to content ratio now! I'm not sure I want to wait for some inane little > applet to transfer... If I need it, I would rather take the time to set > up a viewer once and know what functions it provides rather than wait > for some latest and greatest viewer to be transferred, used and thrown > away... One part of the game is Java Applications. Theoretically, a Java Application compiled on one plaform will run on any other platform, the source code should also display similar features - once written, it will compile everywhere. Or so they say :-) Sander > > Am I just a stick-in-the-mud? (Or have I just been reading too many > William Shatner Tek novels lately?) > > -Doug > > ...who remembers buying the "Smart" system back in 1986 - an integrated > suite of applications, word processor, spreadsheet, database, macro > language, etc - that ran on a PC with 640K, 20MB hard disk... Now-a-days > we have integrated suites of applications that won't run in 8MB RAM or > 100MB of disk! And are we any more productive?????? (But gee, the apps > look so pretty!) > > Doug Wellington > doug@sun1paztcn.wr.usgs.gov > System and Network Administrator > US Geological Survey, Tucson, AZ Project Office > > According to proposed Federal guidelines, this message is a "non-record". > Hmm, I wonder if _everything_ I say is a "non-record"...? > > FreeBSD and Apache - the best real tools for the virtual world! > Check out www.freebsd.org and www.apache.org... > > Just say NO to Netscape Navigator! >
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