From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Aug 14 17:56:18 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA023C4D41 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 17:56:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x12b.google.com (mail-il1-x12b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BSrhs6qDSz400x for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 17:56:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x12b.google.com with SMTP id k4so9150694ilr.12 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 10:56:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Wl/NVaOZbPdRSRZFIp0f0biYNxM2i/BDb8DLzw7BYTI=; b=hi8H6A+3pSIU6cQ7QJB6zXLoiO2/gRwFWGmRGgrGV3wofndGSqmMoPIlHAHiDX27N2 KKTPJXIRIEP0Byv9B2KqDamWuWcpaILStVtxV7FTsy4rFZ+5P5uxU2CDbf8MauqnFegQ 29xjrlFygxcmphu87eMCXMZszQHEQ1x/6XswVn2vnEwr6v9CXAB4PkVjf4a3E0i9n/kW 8uMLJHdg8v4pKe1X5oONGMUZUC1Q3CeDp8N5W6wjm8BZdzRwV99D6nYEvFuk0eR7kcB4 1IUbhoAybQJpwNPh4BUyzKAZ6ib31WLe++L6keiPwMfV/qfD/VujfusfiTLKMETktMq/ eUQw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Wl/NVaOZbPdRSRZFIp0f0biYNxM2i/BDb8DLzw7BYTI=; b=joM/tp3Qyl+n+7fvBaqb5sLfhVHLAm3PQ7nTqYYedwLKF5DCTf1XIwq8N8e0CIBvem xqq3ELM4Asu3RtrZ1Be0gnbfsQgGtEfl6hB7GmHhAmjfFP1xN3JewG4HCbAWfXwi2soa U9BJbuGRfFlH75fzB1w4APTjM+uWg6hgj4hhZXIuqhwQg5ulfsRC4C8EFIRSz7OR3zPo NviQL9MTlwWNTG3PJWZa40xoz8NObIJ/x7OZoMK3GDw77kb15N3Tr7iZjmilSMsWEdTO 2svB1WuDbuDdszfb37BsBXyvne9+8/dLV/U09MMp0dCAw203nxmtqwiZ6GjbSIe1I1Nn PdVQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530xeHkH6Gvv0Zb4gHdSWZ3mnHNO2DMiWwB96U7TGh57kbNEJuyO F+8I+8Ot/ALismejsRRZeNzw2i/PkzD0cZ4y4zJLWJKf/nQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJys1CaswYKjdFo+AfnwbVzuHbjQ15ObhIIUssJIxtamNXPb3MW4Tk2CRX7veR5Ze+MSnyGw1PHBxkSDsD/y9AM= X-Received: by 2002:a92:d20c:: with SMTP id y12mr3677683ily.81.1597427772848; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 10:56:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <40xvq0.qf0q3x.1hge1ap-qmf@smtp.boon.family> <20200814004312.bb0dd9f1.freebsd@edvax.de> <20200814065701.2b390145ac6d189161bc31b4@sohara.org> <173ed205550.27bc.0b331fcf0b21179f1640bd439e3f4a1e@tundraware.com> <4d320acd-a995-7a35-5c0e-c2c22e7e6f96@radel.com> <5b94aeea-e244-1ba4-63f9-06a5a3f85705@tundraware.com> In-Reply-To: <5b94aeea-e244-1ba4-63f9-06a5a3f85705@tundraware.com> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 13:56:00 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OT: Dealing with a hosting company with it's head up it's rear end To: Tim Daneliuk Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BSrhs6qDSz400x X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=hi8H6A+3; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.35 / 15.00]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.06)[-1.058]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.006]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.29)[-0.291]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 17:56:18 -0000 On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 1:49 PM Tim Daneliuk wrote: > Hear, hear. Unlike universities and government agencies, businesses do > not have A) An essentially limitless line of credit and B) Huge immunity > to legal action. Actually universities (even public ones) have typically very limited access to credit (except for government bond issuing for public universities) and have zero immunity from legal action (they even have more legal exposure then many private companies due to laws like FERPA [education records privacy regulations], regulation on who they admit, etc.) -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org