From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 15 12:50:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E49016A41B for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:50:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wingot@eftel.com) Received: from tara1.wa.amnet.net.au (tara1.wa.amnet.net.au [203.161.126.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C4C43D58 for ; Mon, 15 May 2006 12:50:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wingot@eftel.com) Received: (qmail 11964 invoked by uid 89); 15 May 2006 12:50:27 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 11957, pid: 11958, t: 1.5361s scanners: attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.88/m:36/d:1310 spam: 3.1.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on tara1.wa.amnet.net.au X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.65?) (203.161.72.123) by tara1.wa.amnet.net.au with SMTP for ; 15 May 2006 12:50:25 -0000 X-Envelope-To: ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <44687919.4080903@eftel.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 20:50:33 +0800 From: Adrian Pavone User-Agent: Debian Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <446786CF.6050807@fromley.net> <3aaaa3a0605141906k2622e9dawe7e9bf7def72167@mail.gmail.com> <008b01c677fb$c99b4290$b3db87d4@multiplay.co.uk> <44684361.5080903@eftel.com> <00d401c67802$ed3be130$b3db87d4@multiplay.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <00d401c67802$ed3be130$b3db87d4@multiplay.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ports@freebsd.org, "freebsd-questions@FreeBSD. ORG" Subject: Re: Has the port collection become to large to handle. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 12:50:31 -0000 >> And what about the case of a port that would be built many times over >> its lifetime, mainly due to program version changes? The first one >> that springs to mind would be Firefox. Firefox has had a number of >> version changes in the same space of time that Exim, a very commonly >> used mail server application, has been updated, and assuming an even >> distribution of mail servers and desktop users with firefox, firefox >> would appear to be 10-20 times more active over it's lifetime. > > > And your point being? > >> It is also common for people with a desktop computer to format their >> HDD every 3 months or so, and every time this occured, the desktop PC >> ports (Xorg, Firefox, KDE/XFCE/GNOME, OpenOffice.org, etc.) would get >> a rebuild/redownload, again throwing the stastics out of whack. > > > No its still being used isnt it which is what we are interested in. > > > I'm sorry, but when I read the continual posts on this topic, all stated that the count would occur while installing, not in usage. If the suggestion was that the FreeBSD system would report what packages where being used on a regular basis (the only way to properly record what ports/packages were being used), then that is an entirely seperate discussion, and one that I have not addressed to this point. However, If that was your suggestion, then I am extremely glad that is not how the ports system currently operates, for the same reason I am glad that spyware is not installed on my computer. If you do not have a regular reporting to home base mechanism in place, then how would you be able to monitor what is "still being used .. which is what we are interested in"?