From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 23 00:01:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6723937B401; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 00:01:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net (heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF0E43F75; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 00:01:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from user-2ivfkao.dialup.mindspring.com ([165.247.209.88] helo=mindspring.com) by heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19fDcg-0007FE-00; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 00:01:15 -0700 Message-ID: <3F1E3270.A952B2DB@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 00:00:00 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Josef Karthauser References: <20030720125750.F19406@alpha.siliconlandmark.com> <20030722192024.GA47886@panzer.kdm.org> <3F1E2BB9.64E9A616@mindspring.com> <20030723064844.GA85364@genius.tao.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a406770e35a55cd662c5d24988bf5a2b9193caf27dac41a8fd350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c cc: "Kenneth D. Merry" cc: current@freebsd.org cc: Andre Guibert de Bruet cc: Harald Schmalzbauer Subject: Re: where is kern.ca.da.no_6_byte? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:01:19 -0000 Josef Karthauser wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 11:31:21PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > > As far as I'm concerned, USB is a Very Black Art(tm), and has > > been since day one. 8-(. You have to wonder how Windows > > manages... > > Windows manages because it is in the vendor's interest for it to work > and as such their install .inf script does the right thing, for some > value of DTRT. This is the conspiracy theorist answer. I'm not saying that it is wrong, but it seems to me that more stuff is "Plug-and-play" without third party drivers in Windows, and without quirking. If you want to push it out a bit, most USB stuff I've seen also works with Macintosh systems, and *definitely* can't do anything with a vendor supplied driver CDROM, so It Just Works(tm). Maybe there is something to learn from Darwin in this area... I don't know how public the USB code is at this point there, or if it is published at all (though I thought it was). -- Terry