From owner-freebsd-security@freebsd.org Wed Jul 24 18:46:38 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE3FB4A05 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 18:46:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x12a.google.com (mail-lf1-x12a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DD6F6D06E for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 18:46:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: by mail-lf1-x12a.google.com with SMTP id q26so32700993lfc.3 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 11:46:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=SQ6flhiOiVe7+zjAHI1p/yrReAuChexXR5ah8EzTTaE=; b=gMUrU6PWfrE3aeeoUD4Ww428WrWAQgY15RoR1tgb8+n6oNZxBLapy5D1JWONKnBi2t J2G3ZXXHO6Q0YG94o6gOk5Sy40y2tX4oo7/fhEnYDd/2pOVAiyAQbdZBQ6TGU78eF1zm oHRIiFZBcATTy516aCVsBORnhTuRIJxsUbAUebXDrRuG1tw5Nxrris6CpCUOCWyUI6KU YtAA7z30QW6TftoaZva09KMuCBsFD7ZxTB03z+v4qUu5jsILYvVsTSyBljItPHDXyX9J qpj3i4+P8yYmTI6iKgvBYKZnoguZLsTKtp15LK9USkusgQmJqvuc5jmrcoeJmNWDOCbs 5oIA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SQ6flhiOiVe7+zjAHI1p/yrReAuChexXR5ah8EzTTaE=; b=V5MlcOxc+dPnBIMhk0MvQKjOeg1ImwnWVP4nD8FcAqla14xu8HAAd3UTRWUUg5vOai p1Fz+/JUTfhPyi9NVCOE3+c9tGaO3oSgRNd1v6HEdWaremOC6nNiTb8SzM91f0EqPrm5 UPABvpBzq24OzRobtm0YQtLjpAoHfQTw08MSd+PRHdRU7VfF5FnG5rWFbrbfK8+gM/Z7 4fqumepXGuXo+fC8Oyp0+7HML4yHI1el+emUSjd8b/V4DMemVyoofOpep6b3gMJGo1y6 6djVMG842+gOUF7YT29VNUeZTD5fq20usYLIzkwzMCEyp3OTo7H6nrvGbU0kwKm+FmMl 0hCQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX8xdLdSn2ICoNTGM/6TRxw+IREYIgpoP48oj2k6qV5IAbOFfBn TaPAT3T0YEafeVyWgK8OY/IkojqiQ3yudIl960jBkP0w X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyOeDDRDiV0V0DxDjDq5xKC6S1e2IA/MsjHT5xGPH7giawRogJY1sSgUTwJFkrb+Vh3/m5op5vwYv11/31VEqw= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:1d2:: with SMTP id f18mr38295760lfp.173.1563993995850; Wed, 24 Jul 2019 11:46:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Robert Simmons Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 14:46:24 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Old Stuff To: Luke Crooks Cc: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7DD6F6D06E X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=gMUrU6PW; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rsimmons0@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::12a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rsimmons0@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.89 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-security@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.92)[-0.919,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[a.2.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.5.4.1.0.0.a.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-2.96)[ip: (-9.34), ipnet: 2a00:1450::/32(-2.99), asn: 15169(-2.43), country: US(-0.05)]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 18:46:38 -0000 I am and am not. Ubuntu has made this choice recently. I doubt I am alone in my thinking. I fully expected instant pushback on both suggestions. On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, 13:29 Luke Crooks wrote: > Clearly you underestimate the technical debt for both hardware and > software technologies, still very much in use today. > > > > Luke Crooks > Solent Wholesale Carpets > > On Wed, 24 Jul 2019, 17:58 Robert Simmons, wrote: > >> I wonder if FreeBSD should drop support for 32bit? Clean out and remove >> all >> of it. It should make the code base easier to maintain, cleaner, and >> safer. >> >> In this same vein, let's deprecate and remove things like telnet and ftp. >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-security@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-security >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-security-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >