From owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 22 11:19:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC8116A785; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:19:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C5B443D46; Mon, 22 May 2006 11:19:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c220-239-19-236.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.19.236]) by mail07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k4MBJK29014495 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Mon, 22 May 2006 21:19:27 +1000 Received: from turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k4MBJKc8000758; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:19:20 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k4MBJKcS000757; Mon, 22 May 2006 21:19:20 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:19:20 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: Poul-Henning Kamp Message-ID: <20060522111919.GA712@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <20060522080255.GB730@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <6205.1148287029@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6205.1148287029@critter.freebsd.dk> X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Cc: grog@freebsd.org, cvs-src@freebsd.org, src-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org, Warner Losh Subject: Re: Apologies X-BeenThere: cvs-all@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the entire tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 11:20:01 -0000 On Mon, 2006-May-22 10:37:09 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >In message <20060522080255.GB730@turion.vk2pj.dyndns.org>, Peter Jeremy writes: >The main reason it does not work is that whenever some feature is >put on notice, a number of very vocal people will come out defending >exactly that feature as the only reason the world still exists etc. > >Eventuallyy, somebody will grudingly say "I'll take responsibility >for this code". > >And then nothing continues happen. I think it needs to be made clear that the deadline is for the submission of fixes, not just saying that "I'll look after it". >In the case of PCVT this would have been amounted to: > > "Fix PCVT to be SMP locked, do the right things with TTYs, > work with whatever is the state of the art in keyboards. > And do so before August 1st OR ELSE". > >Now, in your own mind, think for a moment what would have happened >if I had sent that email out... With due respect, you _do_ have a reputation... Kris (effectively) writes this in ports commit messages regularly without the world ending and he hasn't been lynched yet. I suspect that if the above mail had come from core@ (or their proxy), there wouldn't be much of a problem. >It follows logically that the only way to be sure to keep any given >piece of code alive is to become a developer and maintain it yourself. I agree. I'm not offering to maintain pcvt. I'm just surprised at the apparent haste with which it was dispatched. If I missed an earlier headsup, my apologies. -- Peter Jeremy