From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 1 21:14:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from wilma.widomaker.com (wilma.widomaker.com [204.17.220.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E54E37B403 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 21:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [209.96.179.165] (helo=escape.shannon.net) by wilma.widomaker.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 15dOeW-000P7z-00 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 02 Sep 2001 00:14:33 -0400 Received: from daydream (daydream.shannon.net [192.168.1.10]) by escape.shannon.net (8.11.0/8.8.8) with ESMTP id f824BGw26939 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2001 00:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shannon by daydream with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 15dObL-0007CR-00 for ; Sun, 02 Sep 2001 00:11:15 -0400 Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 00:11:15 -0400 From: Charles Shannon Hendrix To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Athlon Processors Message-ID: <20010902001113.B27595@widomaker.com> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <200109010033.f810XaT08748@saturn.cs.uml.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200109010033.f810XaT08748@saturn.cs.uml.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.20i Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 08:33:36PM -0400, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: > Well, since it didn't, I might as well explain the problem here too. > There are at least two major problems with VIA chips: [data curruption on VIA KT133/133A systems by pushing PCI and memory bus] Are you sure about that? I've pushed systems like that _very_ hard and not seen any problems, with Linux, NetBSD, or FreeBSD. The only trouble I have is IDE bus resets with CD-ROM drives, especially in FreeBSD. Since the same thing happens with a lot of IDE systems, I generally blame IDE; it's a broken-by-design interface in the first place. If this is really true, I would think it should be fairly easy to prove it. Now, go back in time about 2 years, and I wouldn't doubt it, because there were problems with the first VIA KT chipsets, and even the AMD architecture in general. Everything I've read suggests those problems have been fixed. If not, then it should be fairly easy to demonstrate this. I'm willing to donate time and a system to this since I'd really like to know. In fact, if this _really is_ true, then it would be a good idea for a substantial number of people to try and verify it: the VIA based motherboards for AMD are some of the best out there, as PC motherboards go anyway. -- "Star Wars Moral Number 17: Teddy bears are dangerous in herds." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message