Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2017 16:15:46 -0700 From: "Chris H" <bsd-lists@bsdforge.com> To: <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: portmaster, portupgrade, etc Message-ID: <55696ec41c916cd61664cd1a651fc273@ultimatedns.net> In-Reply-To: <25c2ebf5-79ab-13f2-23f2-de22aab0a6b0@gjunka.com> References: <20171004161649.GA51883@mail.michaelwlucas.com> <59D546FD.30906@gmail.com> <c948e207-9976-c229-9970-a4a61ff743b2@columbus.rr.com> <ff47eaac-9766-f6ae-1a1e-ec576b49aa42@gjunka.com> <1f06cb3836f2dd5cc3aec3e8264945ed@ultimatedns.net>, <25c2ebf5-79ab-13f2-23f2-de22aab0a6b0@gjunka.com>
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On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 22:59:31 +0000 Grzegorz Junka <list1@gjunka.com> wrote > On 05/10/2017 22:15, Chris H wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 20:27:19 +0000 Grzegorz Junka <list1@gjunka.com> wrote > > > >> On 05/10/2017 19:54, Baho Utot wrote: > >>> > >>> On 10/04/17 16:39, Ernie Luzar wrote: > >>> > >>>> Here's my take on that. > >>>> > >>>> The future direction has already been decided by the FreeBSD leaders > >>>> 2 years ago with their development of a better pkg system. > >>>> > >>> [putolin] > >>> > >>>> Don't let the few old school die hearts who are afraid of any change > >>>> and make the most noise influence you. There will always be edge case > >>>> user who think their needs out weight what is best for the group. > >>> So what you are really saying is Go to hell old farts we don't need > >>> you here. We are not going to listen to you as you are too old to > >>> know anything. You are old and stupid. > >>> > >>> It is looking like I will need to move away from FreeBSD if that is > >>> really what is being accomplished here. > >> But do those old farts have anything interesting to say or they are just > >> making noise? What's the alternative to the proposed direction?\ > > This is an *extremely* difficult question to answer, and these discussions > > come up all too often. The short answer is; shut up and code! -- Meaning; > > since FreeBSD exists, and grows because of those whom are willing to > > produce code to accomplish it. Those who put their code, where their > > mouth is, will be the deciding vote. :) > > I'm not always loving it. But it is, what it is, and it's hard to argue > > with it. No? :) > > Yes and no. You are absolutely right that those able to code will have > an advantage over those who just shout at others but do nothing, even if > those who code don't do exactly what those who shout would like them to > do. But that's shortsighted. There are better ways of spending time than > developing something that no one else is going to use. > > FreeBSD exists for its users. This doesn't mean those who shout the > loudest or those with esoteric needs that no one has time to cater for. > This means the 90% who are not even subscribed to this list or the 99% > who have never expressed their opinion about the direction FreeBSD > should take either on this list or anywhere else (the silent majority). > > They vote for the proposed direction either by adopting FreeBSD and > spreading the word around, or by abandoning it and moving to other > systems without expressing any complaints. That's the reality. > > Now, from that perspective it doesn't really matter if portmaster is > maintained or not. What does matter is if the proposed changes to pkg > and the ports system are going to make the life of an average user > easier or not. Everything else should be secondary. Like I said; I'm not always loving it. and I'm not attempting to argue with you. :) But in the end. Those who put their code where their mouth is, almost always win the argument. Tho, when /enough/ non-coders speak up. That can also make a difference too. :) > > GrzegorzJ --Chris > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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