From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Wed May 15 15:58:42 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246241596ED2 for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 15:58:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pi@freebsd.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90FC92EEF for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 15:58:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pi@freebsd.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 76BD61596ECF; Wed, 15 May 2019 15:58:41 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: stable@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655E11596ECD for ; Wed, 15 May 2019 15:58:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pi@freebsd.org) Received: from fc.opsec.eu (fc.opsec.eu [IPv6:2001:14f8:200:4::4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CC8A92EEC; Wed, 15 May 2019 15:58:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pi@freebsd.org) Received: from pi by fc.opsec.eu with local (Exim 4.92 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1hQwIg-000HD3-9N; Wed, 15 May 2019 17:58:38 +0200 Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 17:58:38 +0200 From: Kurt Jaeger To: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: stable@freebsd.org, re@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD flood of 8 breakage announcements in 3 mins. Message-ID: <20190515155838.GV20962@fc.opsec.eu> References: <20190515153836.GU20962@fc.opsec.eu> <201905151551.x4FFp0UP067236@fire.js.berklix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201905151551.x4FFp0UP067236@fire.js.berklix.net> X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 May 2019 15:58:42 -0000 Hi! > > > Alternative is to for announcers to do Less work: > > > Send each announcement when ready. > > The problem is not the announcement, the problem is providing > > the freebsd-update. > > If announcements are send when ready, and the freebsd-update is > > not ready, therefore, the timeframes to attack systems with unpatched > > problems are much longer. > True as far as that goes for binary users, but often source patches > are available faster, which begs the question: when to announce ? > When there's diffs ? When diffs are commited to src/ (used to be the norm *) ? > When there's some binary update ? > Whne a whole bunch of 8 arrive in 3 minutes ? Gasp ! Now I understand why you bring this up. I guess the majority of users are using the binary update path. Maybe re@ can explain how the process is for these steps ? -- pi@FreeBSD.org +49 171 3101372 One year to go !