From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 4 04:26:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4FD01065677 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 04:26:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jan6146@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735A78FC14 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 04:26:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jan6146@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so962385wfg.7 for ; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:26:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=AgLZQOkDjhJZFmRAKI6UEyJ6YPU7QfdVsimTsD5B92o=; b=f6HOxGExcl7wH3bNEU/GkQ4STRLWS2mr/YkIoQ5X84Db5sg2im4HsKsYYr+gHmNiOM hSblC5zu5OWIopZDEoW5vfDkt4NaSB/y/8NYcGtocqnz0hIYoF2xB22gDloj/BoDef2F D0Gvf1B9YqVNsrEGKL/FLLxpGm87MJp4L1NT4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=KPtKAFkctuwo0TRJirXJvLHm67+EtvD1TjBjmZNxEPathAXgHVt95PDWek8zhPU420 ujBuXEqhYjeWbS7TJ7oo1CM4wQx6345k6qZvJMqCKXSriUgmOq58Eb/4HHZkmultJRDX DK8HlwDw2G7RSfpw1V4mGJZwcmzdwBpvp4E1k= Received: by 10.142.162.9 with SMTP id k9mr107033wfe.93.1215145577049; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.107.20 with HTTP; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:26:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <784966050807032126m69eedb98nf0ccaed548fc96ef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 21:26:16 -0700 From: "Rob Lytle" To: "Kevin Oberman" , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20080703215537.6F3114504E@ptavv.es.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <784966050807022128g6a6ebfebtc1f57c0da66779bc@mail.gmail.com> <20080703215537.6F3114504E@ptavv.es.net> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:28:04 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: Re: Sysinstall is still inadequate after all of these years / sorry I started flame war X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:26:17 -0000 Hi Kevin, The sysinstall dependency problem has existed for 10 years, so I doubt that its unique to me. It has occurred in every installation I have ever done. I use portupgrade for all ports. i strongly disagree with using ports for huge packages. I don't have the time to waste compiling. Plus, you are presented with numerous nag screens so you have to babysit the whole process. Rob. On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:28:50 -0700 > > From: "Rob Lytle" > > Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org > > > > Hi All, > > > > I'm sorry I started a kind of flame war. All I wanted was two things: > 1. > > CD's that installed without being switched in and out dozens of times. > That > > was fixed by the suggestion of using a DVD. I didn't even know the DVD > > install existed, but will do that next time. > > You call this a flame war? It's been pretty civil and there are no scorch > marks on my display. > > I agree that the disk swapping is not a good thing, but I simply avoid > it by never installing packages from sysinstall. I only use sysinstall > for FreeBSD. > > Once I have FreeBSD installed, I update my ports tree with csup (but > portsnap is probably a better way) and install ruby and > portupgrade. Then I simply install the ports/packages I want using > 'portinstall -P'. This assures that I have the latest ports and not > something stale. I can speed the process by copying all of the packages > from CD to my system (/usr/ports/packages/All). That way, only ports > that have been updated since the release will be downloaded and I only > have to change CDs a couple of times. > > > > 2. Being able to use Sysinstall and not having it crash when a > dependency > > is already present. Sometimes I like to use Sysinstall to install > gigantic > > packages where the compile time is 26 hours, e.g KDE metapackage, and my > > notebook uses an Intel Core 2 Duo at 2Ghz or thereabout. That is one > hell > > of a long compile time. For this request I will just have to wait for > > FreeBSD 10.0. > > I have not seen this, but I don't sue sysinstall to install > packages/ports. > -- > R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer > Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) > Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) > E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 > Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 > -- ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.youtube.com/user/whiteflluffyclouds (Ham radio videos)