From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Fri Jan 4 10:34:53 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBCC1424D31 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 10:34:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@puchar.net) Received: from puchar.net (puchar.net [194.1.144.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "puchar.net", Issuer "puchar.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A73088A447 for ; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 10:34:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@puchar.net) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by puchar.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x04AYscV046993 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 4 Jan 2019 11:34:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from puchar-wojtek@puchar.net) Received: from localhost (puchar-wojtek@localhost) by puchar.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x04AYncO046990; Fri, 4 Jan 2019 11:34:49 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from puchar-wojtek@puchar.net) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2019 11:34:49 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Cy Schubert cc: Wojciech Puchar , Enji Cooper , Hackers freeBSD , Igor Mozolevsky Subject: Re: Strategic Thinking (was: Re: Speculative: Rust for base system components) In-Reply-To: <201901032228.x03MSxkq087945@slippy.cwsent.com> Message-ID: References: <201901032228.x03MSxkq087945@slippy.cwsent.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: A73088A447 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wojtek@puchar.net designates 194.1.144.90 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=wojtek@puchar.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.77 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[puchar.net]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: puchar.net]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.89)[-0.888,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[90.144.1.194.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; IP_SCORE(-3.57)[ip: (-9.42), ipnet: 194.1.144.0/24(-4.71), asn: 43476(-3.77), country: PL(0.03)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:43476, ipnet:194.1.144.0/24, country:PL]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2019 10:34:53 -0000 > > I come from the corporate/government environment, having spent most of > my time there. Large datacentres (Canadian spelling), large machines, > large networks of machines, large networks. In this environment, today, > virtualization in all forms are the platforms of business. Migrations > from physical platforms running AIX, Solaris and Linux to either Linux > on VMware or Linux containers is where they are putting 100% of their > effort. The language of choice is mostly Java. Much of the Java is > canned too. What used to be implemented on LAMP stacks is now being > implemented using microservices. The platform of choice for > microservices is Linux. Stripped down Linux primarily capable of Just as fashion changes. > > IMO we have strengths that can immediately be capitalized on, like the > Linuxulator. If anything could be in base it might be go, the language What do you mean "capitalized"? FreeBSD already allow to do all mentioned things, but anyway someone who use FreeBSD is usually smart enough to not blidnly copy what is now trendy.