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From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" <jmb@hub.freebsd.org>
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Subject: Re: Why are people against GNU? WAS Re: 5.0 already?
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	okay, one last try.

> > 
> >         i dont believe that atheists are evil.  i am not too concerned
> > with what people believe, its how they act that matters to me (speech
> > is an act, especially if one convinces others to act).
> > 
> 
> It's a matter of religion...and those are deep waters. My understanding
> is that the most important of the commandments is to love God above
> everything else. Yo deny him, and to make people lose faith is a serious
> offense.

	the faith vs works debate has raged for centuries.  i prefer
the one that clothes and feeds the poor and may or may not have any
faith over the believer that doesnt quite get around to helping
others.  Perhaps I am wrong, or you may think me evil, to espouse such
a position.

> >         Stallman "receives satisfaction in harming others"?  I dont
> > know what factual information this is based on....
> 
> He is happy with the work he has done, hasn't he? He shows in his
> writings hatred against commercial software writers. He harms commercial
> software with his license and he knows it. 

	i have never seen any hate in his writings.  his critics often
talk of hate.   you removed the part of my email concerning showing
the man a little gratitude for the software that he has helped make
freely available to you.  i am interested in your thoughts on that
matter.

>                                             Pablo Escobar, whom you've
> probably heard of, was also thought to be a saint in Medellin because he
> built houses for many poor people while he was on political campaign. I
> don't have any idea how many North American parents still cry when they
> see what their kids did with that money.

	Pablo Escobar is not to blame for the illegal narcotics habits
in this country.  He certainly is to blame for his role in making
these substances available.  Differentiating between the two is
important. Otherwise, one might come to believe that getting rid of
Pablo Escobar would solve the problem.   He's gone.  The problem
remains.

> I am not saying Stallman is Hitler, but the fact that he does some good
> things and that he is popular doesn't mean he is not evil.

	Isnt there a Usenet rule about invoking Hitler in a thread?

	He is not evil.  Clearly, you dont agree with his ideas on
software availability/distribution.  That does not make him evil.

	Well, I have said my piece/peace.

jmb


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