From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 20 01:42:17 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081661134AD8 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 01:42:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EC9B6FFC1 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2018 01:42:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [10.0.0.5] (adsl-108-68-163-116.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net [108.68.163.116]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4971A71804F for ; Mon, 19 Nov 2018 19:42:15 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Future of FreeBSD: Software Store? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <7KXlAqoenASqkpmnwan1p63B8CD_twTu3fvyPu8Dc-3kLR4zFdyxZ9TSguWgfZ620s24xmkYQC7wJm0trftQ1j93i0rB4GguxNlvBY6C2OE=@protonmail.com> <20181119212837.d3a4dcff.freebsd@edvax.de> <20181120012705.1ebe077b.freebsd@edvax.de> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <88ba662f-d0fc-b0b5-55ea-372ac13ff79b@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2018 19:42:14 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181120012705.1ebe077b.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6EC9B6FFC1 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.38 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.16)[-0.156,0]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.47)[0.469,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: US(-0.09)]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: kicp.uchicago.edu]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 01:42:17 -0000 On 11/19/18 6:27 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 16:56:53 -0600, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> >> >> On 11/19/18 3:41 PM, Jack L. wrote: >>> me too! >>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 1:41 PM CeDeROM wrote: >>>> >>>> I am using FreeBSD on Servers and Desktops for more than 15 years, what I >>>> reeeeeaaallly like is that I have the same shell/commandline utils and the >>>> same configuration mechanisms all the time becuase they work just fine, and >>>> there is no reason to channge that :-) >> >> Same here. > > For me, FreeBSD is the primary OS not just on servers, > but also on the desktop and on laptops - the platforms > where "everyone" claims it's impossible to use it, and > for the purposes claimed to be unsuitable. :-) > Apart from servers my workstation runs FreeBSD, and laptop by default boots into FreeBSD. I do have two more systems on it: Windows (10) and Debian Linux. And the same is laptop of one developer (I mostly support that laptop when sysadmin's hand in necessary). Valeri > > >> When they were teaching me programming, one of the fundamental >> principles was: do not make any changes unless they are absolutely >> necessary. > > It's also a very helpful core concept everywhere user data > is involved: If you don't need it, don't ask for it. And > don't store it. Data should become a liability, not an asset. > That's why you don't need to register with "Facebook" when > you want to use FreeBSD. ;-) > > > >> This principle is not followed these days wherever I look >> (No: Mate desktop team does, that's why i like it). > > In environments where programmers are paid by the lines of > code they emit, or where PHBs get promotions depending on > how many changes they propose, this principle doesn't fit. > Sadly, its opposite seems to become a general attitude in > many places where software is either created or used... > > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++