From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 20 20:19:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2322637B404 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:19:06 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 62513 invoked by uid 100); 21 Feb 2002 04:19:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15476.30005.502996.945006@guru.mired.org> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 22:19:01 -0600 To: Terry Lambert Cc: "Danny J. Zerkel" , Aleksander Rozman - Andy , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Clearcase and FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <3C74716E.E36286FF@mindspring.com> References: <20020217161249.D0B2B3235@ns1.rwwa.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20020220214519.02b98280@213.161.0.10> <200202210204.g1L245H20108@clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com> <3C74716E.E36286FF@mindspring.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: "Mike Meyer" X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.46 (Python 2.2; freebsd-4.5-STABLE-i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Terry Lambert types: > "Danny J. Zerkel" wrote: > > Maybe cvs is an academic toy. Most real development requires a real > > configuration management system. Why do you think there is work being done > > on FreeBSD in Perforce? > Frankly, it's because CVS only permits a single line of > concurrent developement, and it's a limiting tool; but > CVSup is CVS-centric and fails with P4, and P4 costs money as a > barrier to adoption for FreeBSD if the project were to cut over to > it, Not necessarily. The client is free, and in the ports tree. That includes the server with an evaluation license, which limits it to two clients and two users. Perforce offers Open Source software projects free multiuser - which means unlimited clients - licenses. See and search for "open source" on the page. They even point to the FreeBSD license as a good choice for a candidate. > so there's understandable backpressure against using it for the main > repository. I think the real pressure is that none of the sources are available. Last time I checked, they didn't even publish a description of the protocol between the server and the client, so you can't independently develop a client. They *do* provide a link library for all their build platforms that you can use to build custom clients, but you don't get source to that. I admit to being biased, but I think that switching would be an incredible win for everyone concerned. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message