From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 16 07:33:02 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D4116A4CE for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:33:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net (smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4BB643D58 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:33:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from algould@datawok.com) Received: from [206.255.31.21] (helo=[192.168.63.10]) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (TLSv1:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 4.34) id 1D1JgD-0001WM-CX; Wed, 16 Feb 2005 02:33:01 -0500 From: "Andrew L. Gould" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Jon Drews Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:33:33 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <42125E71.30804@tbc.net> <1728728975.20050216034021@wanadoo.fr> <8cb27cbf0502152220604f0693@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <8cb27cbf0502152220604f0693@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200502160133.34036.algould@datawok.com> X-ELNK-Trace: ee791d459e3d6817d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bca285d6a8fd7318feb916a712eb08a5c9350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 206.255.31.21 Subject: Re: Assuming We Want FreeBSD to Grow: Who Is It For? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:33:02 -0000 On Wednesday 16 February 2005 12:20 am, Jon Drews wrote: > FreeBSD is a viable desktop. Gnumeric is in some ways a much better > Excel than Excel. For word processors there is TextMaker and or > StarOffice. I am well aware of Abiword and Kword, but the latter come > with good commercial fonts. MySQL also provides MySQLCC, a gui > frontend to MySQL. Evolution, Kmail, or Thunderbird will do fine as > MUA's. Arguably Firefox, Epiphany or Konqueror are better than IE. > Those items cover about 90% of desktop use. > In addition FreeBSD ports comes with a lot of useful software such > as Scilab, Gperiodic, Qcad, TGIF, Mplayer, SANE .... Your Microsoft > Xp comes with none of that stuff. Viable, yes; but not at all marketable as a desktop: 1. Purchasing basic, compatible hardware/peripherals (wifi cards, modems, printers) is difficult. The best example for *BSD and Linux is printers. Despite the fact that HP supports Linux and dominates the retail printer market, it leads the market in producing all-in-one devices that are not compatible with Linux. Solving this problem will never be under the control of the FreeBSD Project (nor Linux, for that matter). 2. Getting Java and Flash plugins to work with browsers is a chore in FreeBSD. Viewing common webpages should be automatic. Can we even go a week without an email from a current/new user having difficulty configuring one of these browser plugins? Although I have the correct plugins "working", there are times when I have to reboot to Windows to successfully use tools on a vendor's website. These are basic things that Windows or Mac OSX users don't have to think about. These 2 issues alone are big enough to kill desktop marketability. Do I still use FreeBSD as a desktop? You betcha! But those of use who enjoy the fact that using kermit across a ssh connection allows you to use globbing while transfering files securely, are neither average nor normal -- my wife would say, "abnormal". Heck, just getting my relatives to configure a Web Folder, a default feature in Windows, so that we could share wedding photos easily was a huge disaster! Again, I agree that FreeBSD is a viable desktop for many; but advertising it as such would lead to bad experiences and a worse reputation. Just my 2 cents worth, Andrew Gould