From owner-freebsd-stable Wed Jul 10 11: 2:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3EA037B400 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:02:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from host4.the-web-host.com (host4.the-web-host.com [209.239.49.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B5943E42 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:02:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bjones@polestar.org) Received: from 216.64.128.42 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by host4.the-web-host.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g6AI2bE26581; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 14:02:37 -0400 To: Mike Tancsa From: Bill Jones Subject: Re: strange ATA behavior with -STABLE Reply-To: bjones@polestar.org Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 10:50:46 -0700 X-Sender: bjones@polestar.org X-Originating-Host: 216.64.128.42 [216.64.128.42]; Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:02:37 GMT X-Mailer: WebMail Check v2.3.21 (2000-7-19) X-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 4.0; T312461), JavaScript: On Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG mike@sentex.net wrote: >>If we're so willing >>to make FreeBSD work on laptops, then we should at least give a concerned >>nod to the most common disk system in average installation. > >Most common what ? Legacy system ? Most common out there today ? Most >common platform someone installs FreeBSD on for the first time ? The ata >drivers are most certainly broken for some people. Prior to big changes >Soren made, the ata drivers were most certainly broken for some >people. Remember when the big round of commits went in last time (wd to >ad), it broke support for certain old CMD based controllers. The obvious answer to me is "Most common platform someone installs FreeBSD on for the first time." All I am simply trying to say is that version 4.6.1 will be minted to CD and sold through the various outlets that market it. It would behoove the FreeBSD community greatly if this version of FreeBSD works out of the box and without need to immediately CVSup on a majority of systems out there. This means it should install and run without these errors on both a 128meg system with 80+ gig IDE hard drives (pretty common at most retailers) and on an older system with 32meg and 6gig IDE hard drives (a common "older computer"). If FreeBSD errors during installation or in the first few days of operation for a new user, it is likely that person will select another OS rather than searching the mailing list and website for fixes. Working "out of the box" is good for future growth of FreeBSD. Failing "out of the box" will have a negative impact. Personally, I'd prefer growth. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message