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In message <555FBE83.6080103@FreeBSD.org>, Bryan Drewery writes:

>This sort of argument easily turns into "why bother with security?".

That would be an extremely uninformed reaction.

The correct reaction is:  This is not something we can fix with
technology, it needs to be fixed at the political level.

For the USAnians that should be particularly evident, because
every bit of technology you roll out will be defeated with your
own tax-money.

Engage in politics, that's the only place these problems can be solved.

PS: And don't give me the "There's nobody to vote for", that just means
that you have to become a candidate yourself.


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