From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 17 21:41:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45BD106564A; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:41:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd8@a1poweruser.com) Received: from mail-03.name-services.com (mail-03.name-services.com [69.64.155.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FBB8FC0A; Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:41:57 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; s=DKIM-NAME-SERVICES; d=a1poweruser.com; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:X-Sender:X-Envelope-From; l=500; bh=MvxZxY9dKbF8AaFfQ1Sf3lf0ci2PlzubAS5ceEXK/5Q=; b=A0bdGNMO+6idB7IEzYhHMgqAbPQSW/WsuULq/aJVn+h/h/DLSfKXlNqTHVFQ5q5txykjqDRJ722rDRFoRgIwzwhSa+DKFWyCUQIjSGcjj4HRPaJkQxCrrY2MWZ1c0Y5UzasVUTdIaDQwQcIYwBpW868OH1pHKO7CMqzWtEitnw0= Received: from [192.168.1.64] ([76.240.47.196]) by mail-03.name-services.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 17 Sep 2011 14:41:57 -0700 Message-ID: <4E751428.7040609@a1poweruser.com> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 17:42:00 -0400 From: Fbsd8 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Rees References: <4E71F647.2050007@a1poweruser.com> <4E7453CB.1040908@freebsd.org> <4E74C9B7.2090901@a1poweruser.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2011 21:41:57.0943 (UTC) FILETIME=[A01E2470:01CC7582] X-Sender: fbsd8@a1poweruser.com X-Envelope-From: fbsd8*a1poweruser.com Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: 9.0 bata2 & keymap X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2011 21:41:57 -0000 Chris Rees wrote: > On 17 Sep 2011 17:25, "Fbsd8" wrote: >> Nathan Whitehorn wrote: >>>>>> On 09/15/11 14:57, Fbsd8 wrote: >>>>>> Out of the 9 USA maps only "us.iso.acc.kbd" worked somewhat. >>>>>> The keyboard 9 key block above the arrow keys don't function. >>>>>> Issuing the "man cmd_name" command doe's display the man page, >>>>>> but the {Page up, Page down keys } don't work. >>>>>> Also when using the "ee" edit command the {delete, Page up, Page down >>>>>> keys } don't work. This does not happen in any of the previous > releases. >>>>>> Further more, localization of the keyboard should not be forced on the >>>>>> user during the install process. This BSDinstall option should be >>>>>> disabled or removed. >>>>> >>>>> You can press "Cancel" there, which will cancel keymap selection and > keep the default. The utility being invoked is just kbdmap(1), and any > changes to it need to go there. >>>>> -Nathan >>>> >>>> >>>> .. maybe name that button "skip" then? >>>> >>> The button is provided by kbdmap, as is the entire screen. We could add >> an "installer" mode to kbdmap that names it skip instead of cancel, of >> course. I'm traveling for another 2 weeks and won't have time to do >that, > however. >>> -Nathan >>> >> Nathan >> >> Its good to be talking directly with the bsdinstall author. >> >> Changing the cancel button in the kbdmap command to skip, does not address > the problem, which is the lack of knowledge of the standard bsdinstall user. > I've been using Freebsd since 4.0 and never used the kbdmap command or for > that matter even knew it existed. > > Wait, are you suggesting that everyone on Earth can "make do" with the > "standard" keyboard layout until they learn rc.conf syntax? > > I would strongly object if localisation of the keyboard were not "forced on" > the user; we don't all use pc105-us, and the ability to use the keyboard > properly early on is kinda helpful. > > Chris > > You would help yourself a great deal if you read the complete post before jumping in. The rest of the post (ie: the part you neglected to include in your post) clearly describes what I am suggesting.