From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 22 17:19:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E9816A400 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:19:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from canacar@eee.metu.edu.tr) Received: from ee.eee.metu.edu.tr (ee.eee.metu.edu.tr [144.122.166.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B69E13C4D1 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:19:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from canacar@eee.metu.edu.tr) Received: from localhost (localhost.eee.metu.edu.tr [127.0.0.1]) by ee.eee.metu.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22ADD7BBD; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:19:05 +0200 (EET) Received: from ee.eee.metu.edu.tr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (ee.eee.metu.edu.tr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10983-02; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:19:04 +0200 (EET) Received: by ee.eee.metu.edu.tr (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1C455D7BBC; Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:19:04 +0200 (EET) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:19:03 +0200 From: Can Erkin Acar To: Matt Olander Message-ID: <20070322171903.GA29332@ee.eee.metu.edu.tr> References: <20070321200702.GA10083@ee.eee.metu.edu.tr> <46019976.4090905@iXsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <46019976.4090905@iXsystems.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at eee.metu.edu.tr Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:19:11 -0000 On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 01:45:42PM -0700, Matt Olander wrote: > Can Erkin Acar wrote: > >Unfortunately, FreeBSD is doing the Open Source world a disservice > >by allowing blobs and making "special" deals with vendors for > >distributing such firmware. It is already hurting us, and will > >hurt everyone, including FreeBSD much more in the future. > > If you don't agree to the firmware lincense, don't use it. This *is* > redistribution of the firmware, exactly as you suggested, and it will > have no detrimental impact in ou attempts to negotiate further. > > You are doing the world a disservice by spreading FUD. I *fear* that accepting blobs and working around license restrictions is hurting other projects. I am *not certain* adding a "licence aggreement framework" to a BSD licensed OS is a good idea. I *doubt* that vendors will provide documentation or change their licenses while there are open source projects that bow to their will. I guess it *is* FUD after all. Damn! Have a nice day. Can