From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 20 17: 3:21 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02BD237B401 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:03:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-169-106-179.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.169.106.179]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6702A43E4A for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:03:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98AC66B60; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:03:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CB0C41637; Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:03:16 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:03:16 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Robert Hough Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GCC as a selling point for FreeBSD? (Not!) Message-ID: <20030121010316.GB6846@rot13.obsecurity.org> Reply-To: chat@FreeBSD.org References: <20030120141556.E1857@papagena.rockefeller.edu> <77el77po2u.l77@localhost.localdomain> <20030121000329.GA54512@acidpit.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nVMJ2NtxeReIH9PS" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030121000329.GA54512@acidpit.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --nVMJ2NtxeReIH9PS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 07:03:29PM -0500, Robert Hough wrote: > What does it matter, what he has contributed to FreeBSD? Does an end > user have to contribute something before making suggestions? Yeah, his > suggestions do sound more like demands, and his passionate hatred for > the GPL does tend to cloud the underlying point to his posts, but that > still doesn't negate the fact that he is _right_. Brett can demand all he likes, but that's not going to make developers drop what they're doing to follow his directions. In the FreeBSD community you earn respect (the ability to tell other people what to do and have a good chance they'll listen) by yourself doing lots of quality work. You don't get it by just being loud and repetitive and asserting your right to be respected as a leader; and in fact that makes people even less likely to listen to that person at all. Until Brett starts leading by example instead of standing on the sidelines shouting "You there! You're doing it all wrong!" he's going to continue to be treated as a pariah by the developer community. If Brett wants to change this, he needs only to try. There are dozens of ways in which he can contribute to BSD in the ways he has long advocated of others. Kris --nVMJ2NtxeReIH9PS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+LJxUWry0BWjoQKURAgKwAKDFrarwu/YtFAcyCD6mJRRDfEdSUgCfaqD5 TYzrwxNEmNw0fD5vsjGwUTw= =YvzZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nVMJ2NtxeReIH9PS-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message