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Date:      Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:03:16 -0800
From:      Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>
To:        Robert Hough <rch@acidpit.org>
Cc:        freebsd-chat@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: GCC as a selling point for FreeBSD? (Not!)
Message-ID:  <20030121010316.GB6846@rot13.obsecurity.org>
In-Reply-To: <20030121000329.GA54512@acidpit.org>
References:  <20030120141556.E1857@papagena.rockefeller.edu> <77el77po2u.l77@localhost.localdomain> <b0hrv5$12pe$1@kemoauc.mips.inka.de> <20030121000329.GA54512@acidpit.org>

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On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 07:03:29PM -0500, Robert Hough wrote:

> What does it matter, what he has contributed to FreeBSD? Does an end
> user have to contribute something before making suggestions? Yeah, his
> suggestions do sound more like demands, and his passionate hatred for
> the GPL does tend to cloud the underlying point to his posts, but that
> still doesn't negate the fact that he is _right_.

Brett can demand all he likes, but that's not going to make developers
drop what they're doing to follow his directions.  In the FreeBSD
community you earn respect (the ability to tell other people what to
do and have a good chance they'll listen) by yourself doing lots of
quality work.  You don't get it by just being loud and repetitive and
asserting your right to be respected as a leader; and in fact that
makes people even less likely to listen to that person at all.

Until Brett starts leading by example instead of standing on the
sidelines shouting "You there!  You're doing it all wrong!" he's going
to continue to be treated as a pariah by the developer community.  If
Brett wants to change this, he needs only to try.  There are dozens of
ways in which he can contribute to BSD in the ways he has long
advocated of others.

Kris

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