From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 23 00:29:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE81737B401 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 00:29:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genius.tao.org.uk (genius.tao.org.uk [212.135.162.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D770443F85 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 00:29:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joe@genius.tao.org.uk) Received: by genius.tao.org.uk (Postfix, from userid 100) id 8262E47A2; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:28:53 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:28:53 +0100 From: Josef Karthauser To: Terry Lambert Message-ID: <20030723072853.GA802@genius.tao.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Josef Karthauser , Terry Lambert , "Kenneth D. Merry" , current@freebsd.org, Andre Guibert de Bruet , Harald Schmalzbauer References: <20030720125750.F19406@alpha.siliconlandmark.com> <20030722192024.GA47886@panzer.kdm.org> <3F1E2BB9.64E9A616@mindspring.com> <20030723064844.GA85364@genius.tao.org.uk> <3F1E3270.A952B2DB@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3F1E3270.A952B2DB@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: "Kenneth D. Merry" cc: current@freebsd.org cc: Andre Guibert de Bruet cc: Harald Schmalzbauer Subject: Re: where is kern.ca.da.no_6_byte? X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 07:29:25 -0000 --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 23, 2003 at 12:00:00AM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > Josef Karthauser wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 11:31:21PM -0700, Terry Lambert wrote: > > > As far as I'm concerned, USB is a Very Black Art(tm), and has > > > been since day one. 8-(. You have to wonder how Windows > > > manages... > >=20 > > Windows manages because it is in the vendor's interest for it to work > > and as such their install .inf script does the right thing, for some > > value of DTRT. >=20 > This is the conspiracy theorist answer. I'm not saying that it > is wrong, but it seems to me that more stuff is "Plug-and-play" > without third party drivers in Windows, and without quirking. >=20 That's true although there hardly seems a usb device that doesn't ask for an install disk! > If you want to push it out a bit, most USB stuff I've seen also > works with Macintosh systems, and *definitely* can't do anything > with a vendor supplied driver CDROM, so It Just Works(tm). Maybe > there is something to learn from Darwin in this area... I don't > know how public the USB code is at this point there, or if it is > published at all (though I thought it was). That's a fair point. I don't know the answer to this either. Joe --=20 Josef Karthauser (joe@tao.org.uk) http://www.josef-k.net/ FreeBSD (cvs meister, admin and hacker) http://www.uk.FreeBSD.org/ Physics Particle Theory (student) http://www.pact.cpes.sussex.ac.uk/ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D An eclectic mix of fact an= d theory. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAj8eOTEACgkQXVIcjOaxUBaaQQCcD+0uMVcVTIdsVruXWGTJ9hkU N/wAoOeFL4aCarOZdmRFBK9Dq0olbv61 =Ukgb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gBBFr7Ir9EOA20Yy--