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From: Alexander Best <arundel@freebsd.org>
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Subject: Re: Remove debug echo
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On Wed Nov 30 11, Garrett Cooper wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:25 PM, Alexander Best <arundel@freebsd.org> wrote:
> > On Tue Nov 29 11, Warner Losh wrote:
> >> kill it.
> >>
> >> Warner
> >> On Nov 29, 2011, at 2:07 PM, John Baldwin wrote:
> >>
> >> > Any objections to this?  It removes a weird line during 'make -s buildworld'
> >> > output and I think it was debugging accidentally left in in 213077 by Warner:
> >> >
> >> > Index: newvers.sh
> >> > ===================================================================
> >> > --- newvers.sh      (revision 228074)
> >> > +++ newvers.sh      (working copy)
> >> > @@ -99,7 +99,6 @@ for dir in /bin /usr/bin /usr/local/bin; do
> >> > done
> >> >
> >> > if [ -n "$svnversion" ] ; then
> >> > -   echo "$svnversion"
> >> >     svn=`cd ${SYSDIR} && $svnversion`
> >> >     case "$svn" in
> >> >     [0-9]*) svn=" r${svn}" ;;
> >
> > also...
> >
> > when running buildkernel via 'make -s', do we really need all those module
> > printfs? i see messages for "cleandir", "obj", "depend" and "all". i think for
> > 'make -s', that's pure overkill!
> >
> > for a GENERIC kernel, 'make' enters ~ 670 module dirs. take that times 4 and
> > you'll get 2680 lines of output. not really *silent*, is it? ;)
> 
>     pmake sucks as far as diagnostic output is concerned when compared
> with gmake. I'd rather not have to fish through with -j1 (if I'm lucky
> and it's not a race) to determine what directory created the "Error
> Code" output. With the printouts discussed here, at least you have a
> chance at determining what the issue was.
>     Maybe it's just me, but I like noisy builds -- otherwise the
> amount of time I have to spend root-causing the issue becomes
> expensive.

ehmmm...a noisy silent flag? i totally agree, if we're talking about 'make' in
its default mode, but what's the point of a silent flag, if it produces > 2500
lines of output? nobody uses the -s flag for diagnostics. its purpose is to
build a kernel without producing a lot of output and also not fiddling with
stdout/stderr to achieve that goal.

cheers.
alex

> Thanks,
> -Garrett