From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Apr 8 01:16:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id BAA15147 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 01:16:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from allegro.lemis.com (allegro.lemis.com [192.109.197.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA15092 for ; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 01:16:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (freebie.lemis.com [192.109.197.137]) by allegro.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA13976; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:45:49 +0930 (CST) Received: (from grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.8/8.8.7) id RAA13496; Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:45:48 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Message-ID: <19980408174548.61565@freebie.lemis.com> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 17:45:48 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Amancio Hasty , kris@airnet.net Cc: David Kelly , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Small Request References: <352B17B8.F8C5DD71@ninbox.ml.org> <199804080724.AAA00356@rah.star-gate.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.89i In-Reply-To: <199804080724.AAA00356@rah.star-gate.com>; from Amancio Hasty on Wed, Apr 08, 1998 at 12:24:42AM -0700 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 8 April 1998 at 0:24:42 -0700, Amancio Hasty wrote: >> David Kelly wrote: >>> >>> Moved to -chat. >> >>> While we're at it, theres this issue of X11 R6.4 license fees. >> >> What, me pay? I thought this was a *free* UN*X clone... > > We won't pay . David Dawes just announced on comp.windows.x.i386unix > that XFree86 will stay at XFree86.3 Yes, it's also at http://www.xfree86.org/pr-980407.html > Given the history of XFree86 and its volunteer work force it makes sense. I don't understand [yet]. My understanding from the FAQ was that the XFree86 group was explicitly excluded from paying the fees. Unfortunately, the link from the XFree86 home page was incorrect, and I can't find the relevant information on the OpenGroup website. How I wish people would specify the correct URLs... Ah, here it is--I found it last Friday on a different machine: http://www.camb.opengroup.org/tech/desktop/x/xlicensefaq.htm. It states specifically (answer to second question): X Window System technology continues to be free to the "free" community. We've heard rumblings that this change will force suppliers of "free" technology to stop shipping X11. We don't agree. Organizations like XFree86 will continue to be able to distribute X as they do today. But, companies who take the "free" technology and sell it, will not. Companies making money distributing X Window System technology should support its development. Many do not today. The end result is that there is not enough funds to keep it going. The "free" community may feels they want to reimplement the technology so they can give it away to other companies to sell. That could fragment the industry. OK, I'll look more carefully at the legalese. I've also looked more carefully at David's original message and discovered that he had asked us not to discuss it in the FreeBSD lists. Sorry about that, David--I missed it, and since I didn't want to reply to the lists you mentioned, I didn't even notice that there was a specific Reply-To: I think we should respect David's request and close the discussion. Greg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message