From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Jun 27 13:32:48 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA22743 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:32:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.think.com (Mail1.Think.COM [131.239.33.245]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA22733 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Early-Bird-1.Think.COM by mail.think.com; Thu, 27 Jun 96 16:09:41 -0400 Received: from compound.Think.COM by Early-Bird.Think.COM; Thu, 27 Jun 96 16:31:05 EDT Received: (from alk@localhost) by compound.Think.COM (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA26920; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 15:30:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 15:30:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Tony Kimball Message-Id: <199606272030.PAA26920@compound.Think.COM> To: fhackers@jraynard.demon.co.uk Cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: longstanding, woeful inadeqacy References: <199606270638.BAA00387@compound.Think.COM> <199606270949.JAA00671@jraynard.demon.co.uk> Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Quoth James Raynard on Thu, 27 June: : > Easier in what sense? It is essentially impossible to debug anything : > that forks, since by the time you can attach to it, it has gone : > veering wildly out of control. : : Not if you put a sleep loop in it And if I don't have source code? Or a compiler? Or if the insertion of the sleep loop fixes the compiler bug which I was trying to find in the first place? Or if the sleep loop prevents the process from meeting a synchronization constraint which makes it impossible to debug the original execution profile?