From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Nov 26 7:23:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D8937B405 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 07:23:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from SAGEONE (adsl-64-219-30-123.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [64.219.30.123]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA24872; Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:23:09 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20011126092308.01042450@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:23:08 -0600 To: Stephen Hovey , Ted Mittelstaedt From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: RE: this spam Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <002201c17655$fbe26320$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Stephen: You are rigt and that was my very point earlier.... it may be okay to suggest that a mailserver administrator decide what is spam, until he decides it is YOUR emails... that's way too much powe to give to a single person or place... then censorship sets in without bounds to some who go to extremes.... people being people... I can spot spam 99% of the time without opening the message... only that 1% of the time do I open one and then delete... a lot less effort. I doubt if spam will ever be stopped, but I don't mind those who look for tools to slow it down... until THEY want to decide what I should or shouldn't read! ...Plain censorship! At 09:04 AM 11.26.2001 -0500, Stephen Hovey wrote: > >Wow that was very nice of you - I dont give up - all I said was, dont get >all wound up and sick over it. > >On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >> >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Stephen Hovey >> >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 8:16 PM >> >To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >> >Subject: Re: this spam >> > >> > >> > >> >My two cents as a network admin who is kinda sick of this topic from a >> >daily issue of it in my work.. >> > >> >Use a mail program that doesnt make deleting a message, read or otherwise, >> >an act of gymnastics.. >> > >> >Accept that if you do anything other that mail your mom, and she NEVER >> >sends you and e-greeting, etc., that you will get spam... >> > >> >Never do business with a spammer.. >> > >> >Press delete, and get over it.. Its just spam.. >> > >> >> Today there's plenty of good tools for eliminating spam on the server. I've >> seen >> some posts from admins who claim 99.9% spam removal and I believe them after >> they have detailed what they do to stop it. (basically, spending a small >> amount >> of time each day improving their vast filter dictionaries) >> >> While you may have decided that letting your users continue to get spam is OK, >> that's your choice. However, in today's Internet environment, clearly the >> Right Thing to do is for spam filtering to be centralized on the mailserver, >> that way you don't have a thousand users re-inventing the wheel, duplicating >> each other's spam filters. It's illogical to argue in favor of users being >> responsible for spam filtration because the amount of effort they have to >> expend >> in total to deal with a single spam message is far, far greater than the >> effort >> that you, as a mailserver admin, have to expend to delete that same message >> for >> ALL of them. >> >> Spammers depend on convincing the majority of admins on the Internet to have >> the >> same fatalistic attitude that you do, in short that there's nothing that you >> can do about spam and so you might as well give up and blame the users for >> complaining about it. All your doing by posting messages of this type is >> postponing >> the day that the rest of us who are willing to do something can get the >> Internet >> cleaned up of all these spammers. While I'll be the first to say that it's >> your >> right to ignore spam, please shut the fuck up about it and stop harming the >> efforts >> of others that are working to get it reduced and eliminated, by spreading >> your "give up the spammers have won" attitude. >> >> >> Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com >> Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide >> Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >> >> > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message