From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 11 15:22:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8754A37B401; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.BAYAREA.NET [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E15F43F3F; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:22:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BMLxhS022415; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:21:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h5BMLwCJ000962; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:21:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h5BMLwGs000961; Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:21:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:21:58 -0700 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Doug Barton Message-ID: <20030611222158.GB870@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20030610124747.A7560@phantom.cris.net> <20030610024524.D23396@znfgre.qbhto.arg> <20030611075750.GB57496@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20030611.093203.26943899.imp@bsdimp.com> <20030611190615.GA15695@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030611210632.GA695@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030611144115.E26376@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030611144115.E26376@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: grog@freebsd.org cc: ache@nagual.pp.ru cc: "M. Warner Losh" cc: arch@freebsd.org Subject: Re: removing stale files X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:22:13 -0000 On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 02:49:02PM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > > > > This very much surprises me, because I don't see how you can > > mess up if you stick to the fundamentals. Do I have a huge > > blind spot? > > Not a blind spot necessarily, but perhaps you haven't had a lot of > experience with the infinite "creativity" of our users. Yes, I have and that's why I don't make it my responsibility. No matter how hard we try to keep all the infinite creativity into account, there's always someone with a mind more perverted than we think would be possible. There's no way we can make it fool proof. So why bother? Keep it simple and fundamental and adjust according to feedback. The more perfect our initial implementation the better, but when dealing with a lot of unknowns and uncertainties, any start is a good one. Example: if we get a lot of negative feedback that removing stale files (unconditionally) causes more problems than is acceptable, you can opt to do a md5 checksum and only remove stale files if the checksum matches. We do that with ports and it must work well enough considering the number of problem reports... -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net