From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 21 06:30:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D58FC16A401 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 06:30:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from ext-gw.lemis.com (ext-gw.lemis.com [150.101.14.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA8113C45B for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 06:30:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by ext-gw.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2279713377A; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:00:23 +1030 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 126F51A9C98; Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:00:23 +1030 (CST) Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:00:23 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Michael Message-ID: <20070121063022.GA78139@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <04E232FDCD9FBE43857F7066CAD3C0F1267327@svmailmel.bytecraft.internal> <20070118231254.GA5405@wantadilla.lemis.com> <39ed86f90701181524x3c21c9f7sce09907f72a3f9c1@mail.gmail.com> <45B2F25A.4030302@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <45B2F25A.4030302@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 VoIP: sip:0871270137@sip.internode.on.net WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Cc: Dak Ghatikachalam , freebsd-questions , Greg Albrecht , Murray Taylor Subject: Re: Mail etiquette X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 06:30:24 -0000 --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday, 20 January 2007 at 20:55:54 -0800, Michael wrote: > Greg Albrecht wrote: >> >> ps: there's no need to reiterate how 'hard' it is for you to have to >> 'scroll down' to read the original message in a reply, how is that any >> different than me having to scroll down to read your reply? I hadn't intended to respond to this, but since I'm replying anyway, the answer is "none", of course. If you put all your reply at the bottom, you miss important things, like the text you both quoted: >> On 18/01/07, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: >>> "Top posting" is only one issue. Others of great importance are >>> trimming your posts, not breaking the lines into tiny fragments, and >>> not writing one-line paragraphs. (end of quotation). In summary: if you don't trim your messages, you'll have more difficulty getting your point across, and also more difficulty understanding what you're replying to. If you trim your messages to what's necessary, people will need to read the entire message anyway. > I couldn't agree more Greg A. > > I think it is time for most mta's step up and standardize a bit, but I > also think people complain a little to much about top/bottom posting > issue. In general, I don't complain. I just delete messages unseen if they annoy me. The annoyance depends on whether the message is even marginally intelligible; frequently it's not. > Personally if the email app I'm using decides to place my cursor at > the bottom/top, then that's where I start typing. "The computer made me do it!". Surely *you* should want to be in charge. > The order in which a conversation takes place, rarely has little to > do with the content of the thread. Agreed. It is closely related. But I think you tripped over your own keyboard on that statement. Remember the text at http://www.lemis.com/email.html , which I think was quoted here: Your mail message is all that many people see of you, and if it's poorly formatted, one line per paragraph, badly spelt, or full of errors, it will give people a poor impression of you. In the impersonal world of the Internet, your mail messages are the most tangible thing about you. Send out a well thought out, clear and legible message, and you will leave a good impression. Send out a badly formulated, badly formatted and badly spelt message, and you will leave a bad impression. Greg -- When replying to this message, please copy the original recipients. If you don't, I may ignore the reply or reply to the original recipients. For more information, see http://www.lemis.com/questions.html See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFswh+IubykFB6QiMRAkq0AKCC7Clv333xgo0jfO92lxRW8pR4cwCgqDV/ dA7dtSmUYmxdqUdHT+vjsCA= =nyRI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7--