From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Apr 15 04:03:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400FC16A401 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 04:03:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26B213C459 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 04:03:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l3F44YIt075451; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:04:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id l3F44Wiu075450; Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:04:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 21:04:32 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Chris Message-ID: <20070415040432.GA75277@thought.org> References: <2a4057fc0704131021t60249c62k4107ee6cf9f1fb8f@mail.gmail.com> <86mz1ckqlc.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070413183656.E73976@fledge.watson.org> <86tzvjz2dr.fsf@dwp.des.no> <20070414125712.L73976@fledge.watson.org> <46212CC5.9050408@makeworld.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <46212CC5.9050408@makeworld.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: Observing twenty years of service to the Unix community Cc: Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= , Claude Menski , doug@fledge.watson.org, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: I like Ubuntu X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 04:03:13 -0000 On Sat, Apr 14, 2007 at 02:34:29PM -0500, Chris wrote: > doug@safeport.com wrote: > > On Sat, 14 Apr 2007, Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote: > > [[ ... ]] > > In my case this included leaning to think in 'Unix', and reaching an > > understanding with (rather than of) regular expressions, sed, and awk. > > > > My workstation/laptop hardware does not really allow the option of > > building things like KDE and OpenOffice, so I upgrade basically by > > starting over with packages. I usually can do this in an hour or so. > > When I first started, I found the differences between BSDI, FreeBSD, and > > Linux confusing. Now mostly its more of an irritant than having to use > > my son's mac to watch ESPN videos. I've been experimenting with system tuning to get my slower (400MHz) laptop and tower cases to run lots ffaster with X ... and, obv'ly, lots slower for less important processes. As a hard-core CLI type, I'd like to see lightweight apps like links tied to a GUI version of mutt. Or something similarly lightweight where you can click on a URL and have it instantiate links. If you must-hae 3D, then Xaw-3D will do the magic. .... > > To me, this is where Ubuntu (I can't speak for other Linux distros) is > the clear winner over FreeBSD on the desktop. Ubuntu is near > out-of-the-box when it comes to media (audio/video/etc) of any sort. > > Sure, there are a few steps to get it all to gel - but once you enter a > few lines (or if you prefer point-n-click) - you never have to worry > about media working again (trust me, I used to keep a Windows box just > to do the things I mentioned). > > Again - I'm talking about a desktop use. I have used Ubuntu server (both > i386 and sparc) and FreeBSD is still my fav. however, Ubuntu (for > installing LAMP) is nearly even w/FreeBSD. > > To me, apt-get is certainly cleaner and superior to > portupgrade/portmanager. Perhaps someday either or will be as reliable > as apt-get. > > Just my opinions of course. Mine too, as far as ease-of-use goes. Ubuntu is a different kind of Linux where they say up front that Linux is only a kernel; that the rest is up to the real hackers, the app folks. My only concern with Ubuntu is upgrading from my current 6.06 to 7.XX. I can upgrade FBSD with one finger. Upgrading Ubuntu isn't quite push-button. Not yet anyway. The last thing: I'll never trust my DNS server to anything except the Berkeley distributions. and that's my dime's worth! gary > > > -- > Best regards, > Chris > > If not completely satisfied, return for full refund of purchase price. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public Service Unix