From owner-freebsd-security@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Feb 11 13:50:39 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-security@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 163BE106567F for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:50:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA38B8FC1E for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:50:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [84.49.246.2]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B34C6D43F; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:50:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D6916844BA; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:50:37 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Jason Stone References: <200902090957.27318.mail@maxlor.com> <20090209170550.GA60223@hobbes.ustdmz.roe.ch> <20090209134738.G15166@treehorn.dfmm.org> <86eiy5nqjz.fsf@ds4.des.no> <20090211122200.GA86644@hobbes.ustdmz.roe.ch> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:50:37 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20090211122200.GA86644@hobbes.ustdmz.roe.ch> (Daniel Roethlisberger's message of "Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:22:00 +0100") Message-ID: <86skmlm6aa.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-security@freebsd.org, Lyndon Nerenberg Subject: Re: OPIE considered insecure X-BeenThere: freebsd-security@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Security issues \[members-only posting\]" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:50:39 -0000 Daniel Roethlisberger writes: > Your statement is of course correct, logging in from untrusted > machines can never be secure. However, OPIE still raises the bar > on the required capabilities for an attack (active, real-time > attack versus passive keylogging / data dumping). This conversation reminds me of a flipchart outside the terminal room at an early BSDCon, with a list of passwords sniffed from the network and something like "if your password is listed below, you should consider using SSH" :) DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no