From owner-freebsd-current Tue Dec 29 08:52:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA18228 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:52:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from hcshh.hcs.de (hcshh.hcs.de [194.123.40.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA18221 for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:52:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hm@hcs.de) Received: from hcswork.hcs.de([192.76.124.5]) (3040 bytes) by hcshh.hcs.de via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:52:21 +0100 (MET) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2 built 1998-Jun-26) Received: by hcswork.hcs.de (Smail3.1.29.0 #12) id m0zv2QQ-00001KC; Tue, 29 Dec 98 17:55 MET Message-Id: From: hm@hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: wanton Atticizing is bad In-Reply-To: <199812291547.HAA00459@dingo.cdrom.com> from Mike Smith at "Dec 29, 98 07:47:25 am" To: mike@smith.net.au (Mike Smith) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 17:55:18 +0100 (MET) Cc: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de, freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: hm@hcs.de Organization: HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL39 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >From the keyboard of Mike Smith: > > (pcvt) > > > > > The author has abandoned it, and nobody else serious has stepped > > > forward to maintain it. > > > > Sorry, but that's completely untrue. The author has never abandoned > > it. > > That's funny; Hellmuth appears to be talking with Kazu about writing a > vt emulation module for syscons. You might want to check the last few > messages that were exchanged on the topic. I am talking to Kazu, because i understand and acknowledge the need for a single console driver for FreeBSD, because i am too lazy (and too busy) to always reinvent the wheel for pcvt, and syscons has some good things i'd like to have and use use (i.e. scrollback). I made a mistake in not seeing that i have to more actively caring about the things i need in FreeBSD, but i rely for many reasons on pcvt's functionality (!, not pcvt itself) in a FreeBSD kernel, so i were really stupid if i were abandoning something i need that much. Things would be so much easier for everyone involved if syscons could be "split up" into an environment where new emulators can be added on the fly, and this aspect alone is worth to talk to Kazu and Soeren. I always wanted to work on a "pcvt-NT", but the sheer amount of (doubled) work prevented me from proceeding, so this is a chance for me to concentrate on the things i like to do and the things i need, and get done what i had in mind all the time. If Kazu really wants it and is persistent enough and gets the necessary support from the core and the community, there is a chance that we get this long overdue thing done, and my public talking to Kazu was just meant as a hearable offer to contribute my part to that project and let pcvt rest in peace when there is a replacement available. hellmuth (hopeing he has not jumped on anybodys foot with this) -- Hellmuth Michaelis Tel +49 40 559747-70 HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH Fax +49 40 559747-77 Oldesloer Strasse 97-99 Mail hm [at] hcs.de 22457 Hamburg WWW http://www.hcs.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message