From nobody Sat May 11 14:01:05 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-arch@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Vc6qP4zvdz5KBHg for ; Sat, 11 May 2024 14:01:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-ej1-x62a.google.com (mail-ej1-x62a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Vc6qP3Bm1z4sH4 for ; Sat, 11 May 2024 14:01:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ej1-x62a.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-a59b49162aeso718825166b.3 for ; Sat, 11 May 2024 07:01:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1715436079; x=1716040879; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=wkz3Z57Qe2H1LUZ06foVt+QCFwKOd6RzS+j192ggwgg=; b=ustR/6FzNJtXTYZanJ9JJG0qNNTh12ZO012/fJMqP7D/iz9ckfZtQXtjus+eS47cYu MIqE3uMW2XlUq4BdyFMYpn2N0fZFoZScRhFO6OJsbgP3OqM7hcuadZ/Nr4AiKJ6yH3yw ubmHnx2eUcKId0yO6zM0aPArZq0yfYGrnXJbZcwkpBye7nSCAUbEiFAOdY1490Ip1pHr +Pf8UTxoDtVXZXFoLF+l9KGux98ALPf3CiJ+Dr7MTaVvVwEQ0VOyIK6xA8Gzu7eG2/vU D3bdvP0pu3oBWXZ7h0panjgrHoK8KYqZteB0bRZbWN7vbQsDefM71/Ru8mppy+SOj4g+ dgXg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1715436079; x=1716040879; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=wkz3Z57Qe2H1LUZ06foVt+QCFwKOd6RzS+j192ggwgg=; b=DjDMf0qtdtgxC8wKMDbzfRGdZGDFFKouYoe9bo6N6vCA+ADq2bzjjAaU2lm6qqn9OO UvWvYr8QU8hvzn/fu+hjE1RO1mx/yQGcCO6TM9kx1H4EDu/VpmhW11U28wmHpExd++hB gQKgwwzX8IQONX0WAT8IiphHFwVjNfSA1b+mao5OxcjxJ4tOg7uw8g952iUxNLcFBfKa kyeoErGoYm6Dmhay+kaeJgWsoKYujWAiIO2UO6tquQBI/+zg+rjjJIMYpSPMY9hgppQs Vpzm9JIuolnxlujE9VI6xHHZzLwrqDwUEEQvtSc+iJ3e3dOgQvoXQpklJgbAfgSM3TJd KPPw== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCWjWXTsmEdRJFeXqhm48MegfIrespUUP1ajmEjCwMwwML9Z3tgv6z7xpE4WRllp4J9Kmw7+HSffuTmKPV0+1/1xl51CnmPDztg= X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Ywa76gecuPG3ZmKFZxO/bVVWkBvamqA8u7Ybuh6M8yIVg8jZnpk Va9t4v4ExWI4I/eheBGdClB7psx4jlGVZkIcGFdXFlTPaVRcDnUJkIrfVqLk4GQd1Jglhlso10y c9+f2NJEqbWyjVMwxNanBHmsxJqLnZLWb9gMXdQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEzDZgTuqKxhmc2+uaGWIHwOZA9j+CDK0dLZskjJz89NvO5A55WP6er1ZbqrwNWcNGsu2Kdm4S/xTyBrPPff7I= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:3412:b0:a5a:1b61:d94d with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-a5a2d536966mr368651066b.3.1715436078827; Sat, 11 May 2024 07:01:18 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-arch List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Warner Losh Date: Sat, 11 May 2024 08:01:05 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Disabling COMPAT_FREEBSD4/5/6/7/9 in default kernel configurations To: Konstantin Belousov Cc: henrichhartzer@tuta.io, Freebsd Arch Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001d259306182e1631" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Vc6qP3Bm1z4sH4 --0000000000001d259306182e1631 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, May 11, 2024, 3:19=E2=80=AFAM Konstantin Belousov wrote: > On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 01:38:38AM +0200, henrichhartzer@tuta.io wrote: > > In my opinion, if all goes well, it may be wise to remove the old code > in the next major version. Could do the full list, or just FreeBSD 4 and = 5 > compatibility, for instance. Barring notable negative feedback, of course= . > > Strongly disagree. You are breaking ABI compat for users, for what gain? > > I do not care about disabling options in GENERIC (but then they must appe= ar > in LINT). > This sums up my view as well. Fine to not be in GENERIC, but removal is a bridge too far. Warner > --0000000000001d259306182e1631 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, May 11, 2024, 3:19=E2=80=AFAM Konstantin Belou= sov <kostikbel@gmail.com> = wrote:
On Sat, May 11, 2024 at 01:3= 8:38AM +0200, henrichhartzer@tuta.io wrote:
> In my opinion, if all goes well, it may be wise to remove the old code= in the next major version. Could do the full list, or just FreeBSD 4 and 5= compatibility, for instance. Barring notable negative feedback, of course.=

Strongly disagree.=C2=A0 You are breaking ABI compat for users, for what ga= in?

I do not care about disabling options in GENERIC (but then they must appear=
in LINT).


This sums up my view as well. Fine to= not be in GENERIC, but removal is a bridge too far.

Warner
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