From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 20 00:34:05 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A280FCFE for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from oproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (oproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [66.147.249.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D7971872 for ; Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 2507 invoked by uid 0); 19 Dec 2013 18:14:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy20.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 19 Dec 2013 18:14:04 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=apotheon.net; s=default; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date; bh=KgG4qibVmuVwijOzMkV0rVXIcTXd0+u+Y6VkXCnfsqc=; b=pQ515eOdgC6Md62+cLGgwheoZu9AZT6jgqxW9AwCDc6UWiX4tfDh/9QrwYH6FSixiWdEyFjF2e2HlL2WBcPWvzbX8NYjseXJK3FPjC0dP9Bcjp01WSHobjgJRWeNyLNn; Received: from [98.245.97.34] (port=60168 helo=localhost) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:CAMELLIA256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vti6m-00056v-3Z for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 11:14:04 -0700 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 11:13:43 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: If ports@ list continues to be used as substitute for GNATS, I'm unsubscribing Message-ID: <20131219181343.GB47750@glaze.hydra> References: <307860.67121.bm@smtp112.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <201312190944.rBJ9isTx024731@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201312190944.rBJ9isTx024731@mech-cluster241.men.bris.ac.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.22 (2013-10-16) X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:smtp auth 98.245.97.34 authed with code@apotheon.net} X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 00:34:05 -0000 On Thu, Dec 19, 2013 at 01:44:57AM -0800, Anton Shterenlikht wrote: > > > >From: "Thomas Mueller" > > > >There are many messages on this thread, and I don't know which or > >what to quote, but I agree on send-pr being user-unfriendly. > > I disagree. > I use only send-pr to send PRs. > I use sendmail. I disagree with you. For new users, send-pr is a fucking usability train wreck, and insufficiently well documented. Sendmail is legendary for its obtuse configuration. I suppose you should be proud of the fact you find these tools easy to use, but that does not mean you should dismiss others' concerns over how difficult some people find them. The fact many people find these tools very difficult to use is in fact kind of a big problem, and I'm glad something is being done about it with regard to the bugzilla system. I wouldn't have chosen bugzilla if it was up to me, but it's not up to me and it's sure to be a huge improvement over the system currently in place, so I'm grateful for the work being done. Hopefully the command line send-pr tool will also be replaced with something that actually provides a low-friction way for people with problem reports to contribute to the FreeBSD project. In conclusion, I agree with Thomas (though I much prefer fdm over mpop, personally), and believe that send-pr (or its replacement, whenever that happens) desperately needs some better documentation. I rather suspect that a lot of people with problems to report simply give up and leave us with no clue there's anything wrong. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]