From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Aug 12 07:13:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E34237B401 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:13:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.abyx.com (s85f45n6e.servers.accentric.net [209.132.69.110]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A38143FD7 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 07:13:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@village.com) Received: from dell01 (h004005bd31cc.ne.client2.attbi.com [65.96.215.98]) by www.abyx.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id h7CE9w604337; Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:10:17 -0400 Message-ID: <12cd01c360dc$ac6b7160$6400a8c0@dell01> From: "Wes Kussmaul" To: "Matt Heath" , "Chris" , References: <200308090347.55304.racerx@makeworld.com> <3F35FB5C.8050205@thebigchoice.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:18:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 cc: netbsd-help@netbsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Think outside of the box (Gawd, I hate that term) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 14:13:40 -0000 Matt Heath wrote in response to Chris's outside-the-box challenge: > I use plan9 as my development platform as it is a delight to use. > > Don't expect eye candy, it is an OS to get work done. If the subject is competing in the domain of Gates and Jobs, then the notion of a computer is subsumed by the concept of media appliance. Even in the workplace where an OS exists to get work done, colorful skins and simple clickable interfaces sell, while practical command-driven interfaces don't. The open source community is big enough to support those who don't want eye candy and those who do; those who like to build tools and those who enjoy the sport of the media marketplace. The two groups need to respect each other. Chris's audience, the marketplace sports fans who would rather be participants in the game, ought to start with the question, "What are the vulnerabilities of the players with dominant market share?" It turns out that there are huge vulnerabilities. There always are. (Remember when IBM was invincible? Remember how in the midst of that consensus IBM hit the wall? Then remember how VAX/VMS was unstoppable?) Success breeds blindness, revenue model lock-in, and other vulnerabilities. Where am I going with all this? Read my forthcoming book. Wes Kussmaul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Heath" To: "Chris" Cc: ; ; Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 3:59 AM Subject: Re: Think outside of the box (Gawd, I hate that term) > don't worry, we're working on it > > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/plan9dist/ > > Theo occasionally pops by to comp.os.plan9 (last time to "discuss" licences) > (he coverts the plan9 compilers) > > plan9 is an OS research platform > > some of it's tools have been kind of back-ported to the unix likes > (wily, 9wm) > > I use plan9 as my development platform as it is a delight to use. > > Don't expect eye candy, it is an OS to get work done. > > m > > > >Guys (and gals) > > > > As great as the *BSD's are - why are we not thinking ahead of the curve? > >Outside of the box? What do I mean? Well - why not develope our OS's to run > >on an arch. that isn't out yet - MAKE that new arch. just like Gates did so > >many years ago. He defined the x86 market - why can't we do the same? > > > > With all the thinkers out there (Jordan, Theo) wouln't that be thebetter way > >to go? > > > >Just a thought - and willing to confess, I have zero clue how to get there. > >But, we need to get there. > >