From nobody Fri May 20 06:18:38 2022 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA28B1B3C06B for ; Fri, 20 May 2022 06:18:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4e00001670815.d57895136efb58158ee379afe6ec07f2@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4L4Gkz1Qnbz3MCV for ; Fri, 20 May 2022 06:18:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4e00001670815.d57895136efb58158ee379afe6ec07f2@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1653027531; x=1655619531; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info:subject:to:from:cc:reply-to; bh=NBz8u7SlAvGD7WwqV1vevYD5Np3iuiyGWV+l2mtoApg=; b=IDDa4P+cqiFUfy3oOgf9B9l0MHvYl9mFulvho7V8iFvQ2iTgCvNSqLu7CcRHftYKuTALJQV30mdwLKdNdI66/21pcfR41HA1lOwlur+rtSXyxtfQc3VbkoK5iMy2IC0rFtfzTkuemyVtNy9isdsYgju83TfH42yRcOuBiXl79os= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRlMDAwMDE2NzA4MTUucXVlc3Rpb25zPWZyZWVic2Qub3Jn Received: from r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.191.1]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 20 May 2022 02:18:40 -0400 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r1.us-east-1.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Fri, 20 May 2022 02:18:40 -0400 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94.2 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1nrvyA-000PBu-RO for questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 20 May 2022 07:18:38 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 07:18:38 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Single User Message-Id: <20220520071838.41b3c04b59a1a4b3bccc4bbc@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <834ecba8eafd42b8f4efee98cfea719e@kreme.com> References: <91d28f49-1c1b-d2bf-5fd6-8b2e206ee6c7@andyit.com.au> <20220519132547.6b8cbb36.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <24632e11-1a86-8553-cf44-d29aa40a6858@kicp.uchicago.edu> <4BED02F8-BC45-4170-A59E-CCCB97E59990@kreme.com> <20220520060219.3bcda7d2cdb88efd756953b6@sohara.org> <834ecba8eafd42b8f4efee98cfea719e@kreme.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd13.0) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4L4Gkz1Qnbz3MCV X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=IDDa4P+c; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4e00001670815.d57895136efb58158ee379afe6ec07f2@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4e00001670815.d57895136efb58158ee379afe6ec07f2@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.92 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[142.0.191.1:received]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.78)[0.780]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4e00001670815.d57895136efb58158ee379afe6ec07f2@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4e00001670815.d57895136efb58158ee379afe6ec07f2@email-od.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[email-od.com:dkim] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Thu, 19 May 2022 23:50:48 -0600 kremels@kreme.com wrote: > On 2022-May-19 23:02, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > On Thu, 19 May 2022 15:06:07 -0600 > > "@lbutlr" wrote: > > > >> On 2022 May 19, at 08:20, Mario Lobo wrote: > >> > Man .. I'm old! > >> > > >> > I even know where these terms came from. They're typewriter terms . > >> > >> Not old enough! They're actaul1y teletype terms and codes! > > > > Typewrites had carriage return and line feed levers long before > > there were teletypes or ASCII. > > The codes are teletype codes, not typewriter codes. All you need to do "typewriter codes" ? Typewriters are mechanical devices that do not use codes. The codes are there in ASCII because teletypes needed the same functions as typewriters. The terms were in use for typewriters decades before there were teletypes, ASCII or even BCD. They were old when computer was a job description. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith