Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 20:08:46 +0100 From: Polytropon <freebsd@edvax.de> To: Tomasz CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info> Cc: FreeBSD Questions <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Installation image size for CD exceeds media size Message-ID: <20191130200846.37fea47a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <CAFYkXj=qinWEBUcOT3Txa_jhYxcdZBDjPCbCsm06iU%2BNDxQDUA@mail.gmail.com> References: <20191129223920.3c24fabf.freebsd@edvax.de> <CAFYkXj=qinWEBUcOT3Txa_jhYxcdZBDjPCbCsm06iU%2BNDxQDUA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2019 15:46:53 +0100, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 10:39 PM Polytropon wrote: > > Or what is that image supposed to be used for? > > I just guess this may be used on SMALL / MINI DVD+RW disks used in > camcorders, or small "business card" disk, they have around > 1.25..1.5GB capacity, I used them quite often because they are pretty > reliable (can live several years when carried everyday in a backpack), > smaller in size, rewritable (can use up-to-date contents when it shows > up on the same disk), and twice capacity of CeDeROM disks.. Never saw those in reality here... :-) > thus the > name "disc1" not "cdrom1" I guess..? No, historically, they were named "discN" for CDs, "bootonly" for CDs that would only boot, but would not contain lots of packages, and "memstick" for USB media. This of course was when CDs were the typical examples for optical media; "dvdN" was added later when DVDs became widely available. Live system capabilities were moved into the default content, and therefore usable from USB and DVD. For comparison, from historical context: http://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/ISO-IMAGES/9.3/ The CDs - "disc1": FreeBSD-9.3-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 608919552 FreeBSD-9.3-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso 671152128 Both fit a 650MB / 700MB medium. The DVDs - "dvd1": FreeBSD-9.3-RELEASE-i386-dvd1.iso 1658320896 FreeBSD-9.3-RELEASE-amd64-dvd1.iso 1801652224 And a timeline / "sizeline": FreeBSD-9.3-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 608919552 FreeBSD-10.1-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 615966720 FreeBSD-10.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 645224448 FreeBSD-10.3-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 647389184 FreeBSD-10.4-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 569620480 FreeBSD-11.0-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 601817088 FreeBSD-11.1-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 618297344 FreeBSD-11.1-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 618297344 FreeBSD-12.0-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 758073344 FreeBSD-12.1-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso 763678720 The trend is the same for amd64 - since 12.0, the images cannot be used with CDs anymore. I simply cannot imagine that this is a problem of the OS getting "too big", but rather too many additional packages on the CD. Wouldn't it be possible to omit some packages to get the size down to ca. 650MB so you can use CDs again, which was possible for decades? I don't have to check for older releases because I _know_ that I recorded them to ordinary CDs when they were released. Well... I went with a DVD installation now, worked as expected. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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