From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 07:51:21 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3BBB16A4CE for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:51:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7EF43D2F for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 07:51:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0EFlqUd047229; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:47:53 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (robert@localhost)i0EFllhK047226; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:47:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 10:47:47 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Michael Doyle In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org cc: Mathew Kanner Subject: Re: beastie boot menu, 4th (forth) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:51:21 -0000 On Sat, 10 Jan 2004, Michael Doyle wrote: > On 10 Jan 2004, at 19:32, Mathew Kanner wrote: > > > > This book has had the most profound effect on me of any > > programming document I've ever read (well, other than the turbo pascal > > 4 manuals). > > I don't know if it's showing my age or what, but I also have VERY fond > memories of the Turbo Pascal 4 manuals. It was also the first > IDE/compiler suite I ever owned, back when a PC running DOS 3.x was > state of the art (and my school friends had BBC Micros or similar) I also have very fond memories of Turbo Pascal 4 -- it was the last version of the TP IDE that I used that liked running on my 8088, and was blindingly fast. In retrospect, doesn't it seem amazing that you could not only fit the full programming language, ide, linker, and tools on the 360k floppy disk, but also several programs and compiled output? And my recollection is that all the applications I used had much better error handling for "out of disk space", since it came up so much. Modern applications seem to assume infinite space on the disk, and have a nasty tendancy to lose data when meeting with an unexpected error on an operation after open(). I've noticed this in xchat, the KDE sticky notes, and many others. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Projects robert@fledge.watson.org Senior Research Scientist, McAfee Research