From nobody Fri May 20 15:38:36 2022 X-Original-To: freebsd-questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CB81B43AE5 for ; Fri, 20 May 2022 15:38:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4L4W8t3XHGz3rZX for ; Fri, 20 May 2022 15:38:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Single User From: "@lbutlr" In-Reply-To: <20220520071838.41b3c04b59a1a4b3bccc4bbc@sohara.org> Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 09:38:36 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <65A6EAD2-FC33-4260-896A-41385767121F@kreme.com> References: <91d28f49-1c1b-d2bf-5fd6-8b2e206ee6c7@andyit.com.au> <20220519132547.6b8cbb36.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <24632e11-1a86-8553-cf44-d29aa40a6858@kicp.uchicago.edu> <4BED02F8-BC45-4170-A59E-CCCB97E59990@kreme.com> <20220520060219.3bcda7d2cdb88efd756953b6@sohara.org> <834ecba8eafd42b8f4efee98cfea719e@kreme.com> <20220520071838.41b3c04b59a1a4b3bccc4bbc@sohara.org> To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.100.31) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4L4W8t3XHGz3rZX X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.45 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.80)[0.804]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.91)[-0.909]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.96)[0.956]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org On 2022 May 20, at 00:18, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >=20 > On Thu, 19 May 2022 23:50:48 -0600 > kremels@kreme.com wrote: >=20 >> On 2022-May-19 23:02, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 15:06:07 -0600 >>> "@lbutlr" wrote: >>>=20 >>>> On 2022 May 19, at 08:20, Mario Lobo wrote: >>>>> Man .. I'm old! >>>>>=20 >>>>> I even know where these terms came from. They're typewriter terms = . >>>>=20 >>>> Not old enough! They're actaul1y teletype terms and codes! >>>=20 >>> Typewrites had carriage return and line feed levers long before >>> there were teletypes or ASCII. >>=20 >> The codes are teletype codes, not typewriter codes. All you need to = do=20 >=20 > "typewriter codes" ? Typewriters are mechanical devices that do = not > use codes. The codes are there in ASCII because teletypes needed the = same > functions as typewriters. The terms were in use for typewriters = decades > before there were teletypes, ASCII or even BCD. They were old when = computer > was a job description. Nope. Cottage Return was the name of the handle on the typewriter. = Everything else is from teletype machines. There was th "Horizontal tab" = on a typewriter, it was just a 'tab' and there was certainly not = vertical tab. There was no 'line feed' because you didn't have a term = for 'turn the roller by hand'. --=20 "Esprit de corpse," said the Senior Wrangler. Ridcully glared at him