From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Aug 20 21:55:49 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA6BE21A6 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 21:55:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [204.107.128.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46Cl3S4DlHz480L for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 21:55:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [198.74.231.63]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C63EC3A235 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 21:49:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (doug@localhost.watson.org [127.0.0.1]) by fledge.watson.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x7KLn2Xk024504 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 17:49:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Received: from localhost (doug@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x7KLn2f5024501 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2019 17:49:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from doug@fledge.watson.org) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 17:49:02 -0400 (EDT) From: doug Reply-To: doug@safeport.com To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox or what? In-Reply-To: <1473972364.7183096.1566212915873@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <20190812173754.9bbd34f75885d616ae5d074a@gc-24.de> <20190812164800.1bc5581b40de9436a977ea02@sohara.org> <875zn22mmc.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <871rxorh4y.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <5be8adb1-cf57-9e24-4ce9-27a76cc3ece8@netfence.it> <3e27ec4d-65d0-063e-eb5e-4465aa4cbc84@gmail.com> <20190815124616.3916a9a0e4958c29917c57fd@gc-24.de> <39be165e-0d6c-5ba5-7fec-caaae9603812@gmail.com> <20190815190435.ae53f114489da5de8cf343d1@gc-24.de> <063af304b35c7b8f852ec0a00f1282f24f8db56e.camel@rocketmail.com> <5cf06276-5b83-dc43-9a66-6dd2489391de@netfence.it> <1473972364.7183096.1566212915873@mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 46Cl3S4DlHz480L X-Spamd-Bar: +++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of doug@fledge.watson.org has no SPF policy when checking 204.107.128.30) smtp.mailfrom=doug@fledge.watson.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [7.11 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[doug@safeport.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(2.17)[ip: (5.77), ipnet: 204.107.128.0/24(2.88), asn: 11288(2.25), country: US(-0.05)]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11288, ipnet:204.107.128.0/24, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.96)[0.956,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_DOM_NEQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[watson.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.99)[0.986,0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[30.128.107.204.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 21:55:49 -0000 On Mon, 19 Aug 2019, Paul Pathiakis via freebsd-questions wrote: > I haven't gone down the road lately.... but do konqueror, chromium, etc still work? > P. > > On Saturday, August 17, 2019, 6:23:56 AM EDT, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > > On 8/15/19 7:12 PM, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > >> Well then? What's the purpose to continue this thread? > > While continuing this thread down the slope it got (with useless arguments on > netiquette, release engineering, supposed NFS incompatibilities, etc...) is a > nonsense, I think half the OP's original question still holds, i.e.: what > viable browsers (other than FireFox) do we have available in the port > collection? > > Some times ago, when PaleMoon was removed, I felt the need to find an > alternative. Searching the www categories and excluding text-only browsers, > still yields a lot of results. Some are too lightweight (read: they can't make > "modern" useless-javascript-crap-infested sites work), some just crash... > trying them all would be a huge task. > > So I hoped to collect experiences on this. I suspect you would get almost as many different historys as you have software groups. By that I mean I use the base FreeBSD and xfce. As far as I can tell my group is fairly small. My experience with Firefox was no issues until Xorg unbundled. Then I hit a patch where the order of packages installed was important. What mostly worked was (1) xorg; (2) firefox; (3) xfce. At times I could not install thunderbird. All this caused by interlocking prerequisites. With FreeBSD 11 I think I have thunderbird installed on my laptop. Throughout my journey through FreeBSD Firefox itself has mostly worked. Flash of course never worked, ditto for some videos, that never mattered to me. Chrome works fine except I don't like how it does cookies. My current issue is neither Firefox or chrome will work on one of the credit card sites I use. The issue here is something with cookie handling. All that said I like firefox. It would be nice if it could be less bloatish. I would ever compile it to achieve that end. Doug