From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Feb 2 02:58:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA13578 for hackers-outgoing; Sun, 2 Feb 1997 02:58:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from diablo.ppp.de (diablo.ppp.de [193.141.101.34]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA13563 for ; Sun, 2 Feb 1997 02:58:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.lemis.de by diablo.ppp.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0vqzcW-000Qa5C; Sun, 2 Feb 97 11:58 MET Received: (grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.de (8.8.4/8.6.12) id LAA10731; Sun, 2 Feb 1997 11:29:48 +0100 (MET) From: grog@lemis.de Message-Id: <199702021029.LAA10731@freebie.lemis.de> Subject: Re: bisdn In-Reply-To: <199702020005.RAA06968@phaeton.artisoft.com> from Terry Lambert at "Feb 1, 97 05:05:42 pm" To: terry@lambert.org (Terry Lambert) Date: Sun, 2 Feb 1997 11:29:48 +0100 (MET) Cc: hackers@freebsd.org (FreeBSD Hackers) Organisation: LEMIS, Schellnhausen 2, 36325 Feldatal, Germany Phone: +49-6637-919123 Fax: +49-6637-919122 Reply-to: grog@lemis.de (Greg Lehey) WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/~grog X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Terry Lambert writes: >>> At least I don't know of any ISP's that offer other ways for >>> TCP/IP connection. >> >> There aren't too many in the USA. That doesn't mean that there >> shouldn't be. I believe most ISDN routers can be set up to run >> without PPP. Certainly the ISPs over here, nearly all of who offer >> transparent HDLC, use the same routers as are used in the USA. > > The default hardware in the US doesn't do the HDLC for you. Oh really? Do you get D channels? What do you do with them? > Think about what hardware the phone company provides for an ISDN > user over there, but doesn't provide for an ISDN user over here... An NT1? It doesn't do HDLC. Greg