From nobody Fri May 20 15:45:03 2022 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4D51B456D5 for ; Fri, 20 May 2022 15:45:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwan@rail.eu.org) Received: from mail.rail.eu.org (mail.rail.eu.org [IPv6:2a01:4f8:141:539a:1000::2]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4L4WJS1MH0z3tXh for ; Fri, 20 May 2022 15:45:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwan@rail.eu.org) Received: from [IPV6:2a01:e0a:2b7:70e1:588b:134e:2037:3c3a] (unknown [IPv6:2a01:e0a:2b7:70e1:588b:134e:2037:3c3a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: erwan) by mail.rail.eu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5E47D1DB80 for ; Fri, 20 May 2022 17:45:04 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=rail.eu.org; s=mail; t=1653061504; bh=dlCzuxtmF1eHdq3JxFIquVX9t9d8q3mOq+bT6tdrLCo=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=CsxmsTNYlZPlp0KGPQDW0SpkCuvl2sJUrtm7+DCsHB0K354thj4CvrL4Fs2xmxUii MTcmgnXz1EC65QyR2MGf5DVSiHXsdvUTqFYQ2D+ojmbjmbNW+8eFhKUydOw9wkVS3c LUvdVd/tdURwa/IWfJNc4Dyt5MLjoEuPoZhesMtw= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 17:45:03 +0200 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.9.0 Subject: Re: Single User Content-Language: fr To: questions@freebsd.org References: <91d28f49-1c1b-d2bf-5fd6-8b2e206ee6c7@andyit.com.au> <20220519132547.6b8cbb36.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> <24632e11-1a86-8553-cf44-d29aa40a6858@kicp.uchicago.edu> <4BED02F8-BC45-4170-A59E-CCCB97E59990@kreme.com> <20220520060219.3bcda7d2cdb88efd756953b6@sohara.org> <834ecba8eafd42b8f4efee98cfea719e@kreme.com> <20220520071838.41b3c04b59a1a4b3bccc4bbc@sohara.org> <65A6EAD2-FC33-4260-896A-41385767121F@kreme.com> From: Erwan David In-Reply-To: <65A6EAD2-FC33-4260-896A-41385767121F@kreme.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4L4WJS1MH0z3tXh X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=rail.eu.org header.s=mail header.b=CsxmsTNY; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=rail.eu.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of erwan@rail.eu.org designates 2a01:4f8:141:539a:1000::2 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=erwan@rail.eu.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[rail.eu.org:s=mail]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[rail.eu.org:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[rail.eu.org,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[questions]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:2a01:4f8::/32, country:DE]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N Le 20/05/2022 à 17:38, @lbutlr a écrit : > On 2022 May 20, at 00:18, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >> On Thu, 19 May 2022 23:50:48 -0600 >> kremels@kreme.com wrote: >> >>> On 2022-May-19 23:02, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >>>> On Thu, 19 May 2022 15:06:07 -0600 >>>> "@lbutlr" wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2022 May 19, at 08:20, Mario Lobo wrote: >>>>>> Man .. I'm old! >>>>>> >>>>>> I even know where these terms came from. They're typewriter terms . >>>>> Not old enough! They're actaul1y teletype terms and codes! >>>> Typewrites had carriage return and line feed levers long before >>>> there were teletypes or ASCII. >>> The codes are teletype codes, not typewriter codes. All you need to do >> "typewriter codes" ? Typewriters are mechanical devices that do not >> use codes. The codes are there in ASCII because teletypes needed the same >> functions as typewriters. The terms were in use for typewriters decades >> before there were teletypes, ASCII or even BCD. They were old when computer >> was a job description. > Nope. Cottage Return was the name of the handle on the typewriter. Everything else is from teletype machines. There was th "Horizontal tab" on a typewriter, it was just a 'tab' and there was certainly not vertical tab. There was no 'line feed' because you didn't have a term for 'turn the roller by hand'. > > I remember my grandfather typewriter, with a lever which made the roller turn by juste one line, it was the line feed. Then if you continued pushing the lever, it made the roller translate on the right, that was the carriage return... The natural thing was to do both, but it was possible to have only one effect